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Carlos Torre Repetto vs Newell Williams Banks
"Take it to the Banks" (game of the day Feb-23-2005)
25th Western Championship (1924), Detroit, MI USA, rd 16, Sep-01
Indian Game: Wade-Tartakower Defense (A46)  ·  1-0



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Sep-07-03  bunti: The trouble for black begins with b6. White's pawn on b5 provides an excellent outpost for the bishop and later saves the game after his suspect queen sacrifice. why not play g3 instead to prevent mate on move 22. After black takes white queen and white then puts black king in check the king should have moved to b8 and not b7 which allows white to utilize his outpost. This is a major blunder and according to fritz after this move the game went from being equal to white being ahead (+10.84)
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  AgentRgent: <Bunti> Doesn't 23...Kb8 just transpose? 23...Kb8 24. Bd5 and the threat of 25. Ra8# forces 24...c6 anyway.
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  AgentRgent: Aha! There is a difference...After 23. Kb8 24. Bd5 c6 now 25. Bxc6 is Not check! it allows 25...Rc8 26. Ra8+ Kc7 27. Rc7+ Kd8 28. Rd7+ and amazingly White can't do enough with the discovered check! The best White has at that point is the perpetual 28...Ke8 29. Rc7+ Kd8 30. Rd7+ etc.
Sep-07-03  Ghengis Pawn II: Blacks pawn structure is absolutely horrendous! Moves like e6 and f6 opened up nothing but a world of hurt. At 22.Qxf4 Blacks 2 rooks, and dark bishop are a bunch of overgrown pawns in comparison to the properly developed peices of Torre.
Sep-07-03  crafty: 23...♔b8 24. ♖a4 ♕g5 25. ♗d7 c6 26. ♖fa1 d5 27. ♗xc6   (eval 0.56; depth 14 ply; 500M nodes)
Premium Chessgames Member Newell Banks was regarded as the World Checker Champion after beating the unofficial champion, Richard Jordan, in 1917.

Sep-07-03  cruzian: This game 18 in Velasco's book 'The life and games of Carlos Torre'. Acc. Velasco Torre had a simple win with 22.Qg3 Ne2+ 23.Bxe2 Qxe2 24.Qh3+ f5 and now 25.Bxg7 or Rfe1. But 'apparently Carlos Torre was feeling his oats that day and wanted to set himself the task of analyzing forest of complicated variations, or perhaps he felt a strong intuitive inspiration'

after 23...Kb8 there are three pages of analysis.
First he looks old analysis from 1924 proposing 24.Ra4 but overlooking the best defence 24...Qg5!. Velasco's own main line goes 24.Bd5! c6 25.bxc6 Rxc8! 26.Rfb1! Rxc6 27.Bxc6 Kc7 28.Ra7+! Kxc6 29.Nb3! and white gets a won endgame after 29...Qxe4 30.Nd4+ Qxd4

Oct-02-04  boyhimud: Be wary of your opening, always.
Oct-02-04  Kean: A very logical game by Torre, including the queen exchange. But I guess black did almost everything possible to get a bad position, starting with 4..Ne4
Oct-02-04  boyhimud: Like I said Kean be very wary of the openings you use.
Oct-02-04  notsodeepthought: Q:f4 is a great sac but white's most difficult move to spot beforehand may be the subtle 28 g3!, which dislodges the queen from the h2-b8 diagonal - otherwise after ... d5 the queen could block the rook checks in b8.
Oct-02-04  Tartalacreme: White wins after 23...Kb8 24.Ra4 Qg5 25.Bd7 c6 26.Rfa1 d5 27.Ra8+ Kc7 28.Ra7+ Kd6 (Kd8 29.Rb7) 29.Bb4+ Kc5 30.Rd1!! Qxd2 (cxb4 31.Nc4+ Kc5 32.Rc7#) 31.Bxd2
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  kevin86: Mate is near;white is down a queen for just a knight-but it is black who is really down in material. None of his vast army is able to defend the king.

White has put two rooks and two bishops set to bear down on black's king---no contest

Oct-02-04  TheSlid: Perhaps 17...Kb1 is better than 17...b6
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  Willem Wallekers: Isn't there something peculiar about this name Torre-Repetto? Does any Spanish speaking kibitzer know about this?
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  Willem Wallekers: < "Checkered Past"> Must be a pun but on checkers but I don't get it.
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  tpstar: <Willem Wallekers> See the post from 9/7/03 about Banks as World Checkers Champion.
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  Willem Wallekers: I read that but it doesn't explain the pun to me. I'm not a native English speaker, you know.
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  tpstar: <Willem Wallekers> Sorry. "Checkered past" (also "chequered past") means you did something seriously wrong in your lifetime for which you would be ashamed later, like a criminal record or torrid affair.
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  Willem Wallekers: Thanks, that does ring a bell. Like in medieval times people were condemned to walk around in a checkered coat or so.
Oct-02-04  Resignation Trap: By the way, this game was played in Detroit, which is where Banks lived.
Feb-23-05  dac1990: A repeat. Good, nonetheless.
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: And a repeat worth repeating. Too bad Newell didn't have an "Old" some where in one of his names. "Newell's Old, Boy" would have been a great pun if you're a soccer buff.
Feb-23-05  ConLaMismaMano: <An Englishman> Yes it would!

A popular 1st. division Argentinien football (soccer) team, where Maradona once played, is called Newell's Old Boys. But i don't know where the name comes from, do you? I can imagine it originated in England, but why is it "so" important?

Feb-23-05  Seraphina: <Willem Wallekers> Checkered, I believe, means "colourful", it doesn't necessarily imply naughty things (whereby torrid affairs are hardly "wrong", but that is a highly personal view), though it could suggest dark and light elements in the past.

But the game... something feels wrong in the opening indeed, I must agree with the comments above, esp. Ne4. It looks like a move borrowed from the Trompowsky.

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