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Rogelio Ortega vs Wolfgang Uhlmann
Rubinstein Memorial 5th (1967), Polanica-Zdroj POL, rd 12, Aug-25
French Defense: Winawer Variation (C15)  ·  1-0



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Oct-17-05  YouRang: When someone says something like <"this puzzle was easy">, I think it is a mistake (perhaps an understandable one) to think that this person is 'bragging'.

It isn't necessarily bragging. Often it is simply be a statement of how that person rates the problem in terms of difficulty. In other cases, the person might just be stating that they recognized certain qualities in the position which led them quickly to the solution.

Anyway, I've often made statements like that, but never with the intent to 'put down' someone who thought it was hard. And I don't get offended when someone else finds it 'easy' when I found it hard. I appreciate it when they describe the thought process that led them to the solution.

End of sermon. :-)

Oct-17-05  snowie1: This is a fun place besides the chess fun. A few years ago, as a Psychology student, it was fun to stand in line at the movies and say, "Hey Stupid!", and then look to see how many looked around.
Oct-17-05  snowie1: Sacre bleu, a lot of players blow the french defense.
Oct-17-05  NakoSonorense: <Dionyseus> I'm complaing? I called everyone fools? when? where?

I just said what I think about these people, if you don't like it, it's not my problem.

<YouRang> <...when they describe the thought process that led them to the solution.> is much different than <i solved this puzzle in 0.999 nano seconds>

BTW, I got this puzzle in 3 seconds! :)

Oct-17-05  Blunderbuss: who needs tv? you guys are funny.
Oct-17-05  EyesofBlue: I agree (with whom, I cannot remember), but I actually thought this was trickier than the normal Monday problems.
Oct-17-05  Dionyseus: <NakoSonorense> You agreed with <dl239> , so it applies to both of you. If you don't care, don't complain.
Oct-17-05  Everblue: Snooze, what next? Fools mate?
Oct-17-05  notyetagm: 31 ♖d8+ ♔h7 32 ♘g5+! and then:

32 ... gxh5? 33 ♕h5#
32 ... ♔g6 33 ♘e4+ and 34 ♘x♕

Oct-17-05  notyetagm: <mikejaqua: Got this one but have a question still. If 32... Kg6 I can see that 33. Ne4+ wins the queen but is there a definite mate following 32... Kg6?>

Very good! All the imbeciles bragging about how they saw the simple continuation 33 ♘e4+ and 34 ♘x♕ missed a forced mate in 5 beginning with 33 ♘e6+!. I missed it too; Fritz 8 pointed it out to me. Then again, I didn't brag how simple it was.

R Ortega - Uhlmann Wolfgang (GER)
3R4/4rppk/7p/1p4N1/2b3Q1/P1q4P/5PP1/6K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1. (#5): 32...Kg6 33.Ne6+ Kh7 34.Nf8+ Kg8 35.Ng6+ Re8 36.Rxe8+ Kh7 37.Rh8#

2. (#1): 32...hxg5 33.Qh5#

Oct-17-05  YouRang: <it was fun to stand in line at the movies and say, "Hey Stupid!", and then look to see how many looked around.> I always wondered why they just laughed at me when I said, "Yes, what can I do for you?". ;-)
Oct-17-05  Everblue: Look to see how many looked around? The whole of amerika.
Oct-17-05  Dionyseus: <notyetagm> Thanks for finding the mate, but the game is over when you're up a queen anyways.

Oct-17-05  YouRang: <Dionyseus> I agree. These puzzles are not necessarily 'mate' puzzles. If you found a way to force an easily winning position (such a being up by a queen) you can be satisfied that you've found a solution.
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  al wazir: <NakoSonorense: I agree with you, <dl239>. There's no need to brag about how quickly or easily you get these puzzles. I seriously doubt that anyone cares how fast you solved them.> Well, CG probably cares a little. But as far as I'm concerned, the rest of you don't even exist. You're just electronic inscriptions I read at this site. ;-)
Oct-17-05  notyetagm: <Dionyseus: <notyetagm> Thanks for finding the mate, but the game is over when you're up a queen anyways.>

Not when you play the losers that I play on ICC. You need a mate to make them quit! :-)

Oct-17-05  tbirdas: <Forget trying to impress everyone else about how you're Tal's unknown grandson>

I am shocked...Grandpa had more grandchildren?

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  Richard Taylor: Noboddy cares but we all love to brag (sometimes) - I got this quickly although I dallied with Ng5 as the first move - the point about these "puzzles" that taken as whole -and you can access them - they are useful for training or for fun - its very human to say "I got it!" (but these 'easy ones' are very useful - something that an experienced and alert player of from 1400+ should be able to get OTB -and the more the 1300 or 1400 learns the better their rating becomes -if rating matters -I like the idea of getting a better rating as the challenge is better -I used to be 1800 odd but now my challenge is to climb out of the 1475 or whatever I am back to the A Grade -- ok that's for 'kudos' but also hopefuly for more challenging games )
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  Richard Taylor: <OhioChessFan: I hate when everyone mentions how easy they are. It took me a while to find the follow up Ng5.> Dont worry most of them have spent hundreds of hours working out tactics etc as I have since about 1960! (Not everyday! - I took some years off chess etc!!) And next Monday the same person who solved it in 3 seconds wont solve the next one -that kind of thing.
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  Richard Taylor: <notyetagm: <mikejaqua: Got this one but have a question still. If 32... Kg6 I can see that 33. Ne4+ wins the queen but is there a definite mate following 32... Kg6?> Very good! All the imbeciles bragging about how they saw the simple ..continuation 33 e4+ and 34 x missed a forced mate in 5 > I think this is bit over the top -if you can see the win of a queen you dont need to calculate a mate - I could have worked out the mate - suspected there was one probably up my sleeve -but knowing I would win with a queen up - I left it at that -calculating the mate is easy enough though. A kind of bonus.
Oct-17-05  ltsiros: The complete sequence would be: Rd8+ Kh7 Ng5+ Kg6 Ne6+ Kh7 Nf8+ Kg8 Ng6+ Re8 Rxe8+ Kh7 Rh8# I opted for the Queen Capture too :P
Oct-17-05  Fezzik: Did anyone find out about yesterday's puzzle? Was there something better for White than Bd5 Ne5! ?
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  kevin86: <everblue> Ironic:today's mate is similar to a fool's mate.
Oct-18-05  iron maiden: Everblue = CrackerSmack?
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  patzer2: The puzzle solution 31. Rd8+! is followed by a second consecutive deflection 32. Ng5+, leaving Black the unpleasant choice of getting mated after 32...hxg5 33. Qh5# or losing the Queen after the discovered check 32...Kg6 33. Ne5 .
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