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| May-20-05 | | ntc: That move was nice! |
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| May-20-05 | | BlazingArrow56: Such a tame looking position has some sharp tactics goin on. |
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| May-20-05 | | ThomYorke: I thought about Re6. |
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| May-20-05 | | Hesam7: I really enjoyed solving this puzzle!! 24 ♗f5!! Very nice indeed. |
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| May-20-05 | | zugzwangdragon: I thought Bf5 was an instant killer, but Black did have many defensive resources. Hoo hoo hoo, so exciting. |
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| May-20-05 | | peterk007: This is too complicated. First the easy part.
24. Bf5 gxf5 loses to 25. Qg3+ with mate on g7
24. Bf5 Ne5 25. Bd6 threatens 26. Rxd5 fxe5 27. Qxe5 so the blakc K can not go to h8. Rxe6 is forced But now, after 24. Bf5 Ne5 25. Bd6 Rxe6 26. dxe6 Black has many option, hasn't he? 26. ... Re8 looks good, but as Black can not take on e6 (28. Rd8+) it is not. 26. ... Qc6 threatening mate on g2 and Qxe6 can not be worse than the result of the game. White can not meet both threats simultaneously. sCan somebody explain? |
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| May-20-05 | | Hongkonger: peterk007: I don't have a board to hand and am just looking at the screen, but if 26. ...Qc6 what about something like 27.Qg3 Qxe6 28. f4 Qb6+ 29. Bd3 Q moves and 30. fxe5, or something similar. Or 27.Qh3 covers both g2 and e6 but looks ugly and might be met by f5. |
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| May-20-05 | | peterk007: <Hongkonger> Both your suggestions are interesting moves. On (24. Bf5 Ne5 25. Bd6 Qc6) 26. Qg3 I'd not take on e6 nor on g2. For a short moment the pressure of of g7 (mate) and of e7 (pawn push) and Black can organize. Simply 27. ... Re8!? On (24. Bf5 Ne5 25. Bd6 Qc6) 26. Qh3 a plan with Re8 and Bc8 appears strong. Essentially, when the white Q moves off the long diagonal the pressure is reduced and Black can dream of Nd3, something xe6, ... In both lines white has still the exchange for nothing. But the white Queen is much less active and when the pawn on e6 gets weak a win is far away. |
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| May-20-05 | | peterk007: anybody using fritz, crafty, ...? |
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May-20-05
 | | Chessical: <peterk007> and <Hongkonger> Instead of Vyzmanavin's <26...Re8>, the suggestion is <26...Qc6> 27.Qg3 Qxe6 28.f4 28...Qb6+ 29.Kh1 (the B cannot get to d3) Nd3, when Black is still in ther game. I think <28.f4> here is too losening - <28.Bf4> instead perhaps? As for <26...Qc6> 27.Qg3 Re8 <peterk007>, 28.e7!? is interesting with the threat of Rd8+ keeping the pawn safe. |
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| May-20-05 | | halcyonteam: genius move |
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| May-20-05 | | Hongkonger: Chessical: "the B cannot get to d3". Whoops, I meant e3 but it can't there either because I've just put a pawn on f4. I think I will go and crawl back inside my hole covered with embarrasment. Anyway, I still think that peterk007's 26...Qc6 is a better bet than the game move. |
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May-20-05
 | | jahhaj: After 24. ♗f5 ♘e5 25. ♗d6 ♖xe6 26. dxe6 ♕c6 simply 27. f3 keeping the ♕ active looks best. White has nothing to fear that I can see. |
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| May-20-05 | | Marvol: OK I have unleashed Fritz and Crafty on the situation. First, it is very funny to see how Crafty thinks 25...Ne5 is bad for black, even preferring 25...Qd6 (but I forced it to play Ne5) Second, at about 14 ply, Fritz is so unimpressed by white's advantage (approx  1.25) that it seriously considers 25 b2-b4 as well as Be6+. Crafty is constantly rating the whole situation as much better for white (>  2.5) no matter what lines are played. Interesting to see that great a difference. It is a close call between 26...Ra8-e8 and 26...Qc6 for the best continuation in the game. Both of them do have a slight preference for Qc6.
After Qc6, the engines seem to really get a difference of opinion. |
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| May-20-05 | | Marvol: (continued)
Fritzy's favorite line(s) are (after 26...Qc6) 27 Qh3, 27 f3 and 27 Qg3. Each of these moves leads to trees of virtually-equal-valued positions, and in most of them white is not more than 1.3 ahead according to Fritz - except after 27 Qh3, Re8 28 Re3, Nd3 29 Qg3, Re7 30 b3 when Fritz suddenly jumps to 1.8 for white. |
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| May-20-05 | | peterk007: <Marvol> thanks a lot. It appears that although Bf5 is a nice move, "white to move with an attack" describes the situation more precisely. - Nice to see the variety of resources on both sides. Ne5 appeared so natural to me, I did not even consider blocking the pawn qith Qd6. |
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| May-20-05 | | Marvol: (continued) Crafty prefers 27 Qg3 and Qh3 whilst valueing f3 a bit lower. It also gives many closely valued lines, the main one being: 27...Qxe6
28 Bf4, Re8
29 Re3 and here 29... Bc6, Qc6 and Qf5 get exact equal ratings ( 2.49 @ 13 ply). I don't see a clear-cut straight quick win in any of these computer variations (Fritz's nor Crafty's), so the question is... does todays puzzle really have a proper solution? |
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May-20-05
 | | Richard Taylor: I 26...Qc6 27 f3 and White threatens Rxe5 and looks to eb winning. I found the first move...but not the whole sequence of course... I spent a lot of time on 24. Qh3 24 Qg3 and also 24 Re6 The idea of 24 Re6 is interesting if Ne5 25 Rf6 B:d5 26. Rf8+ R:f8 27. Qe5 but then Qf2+ but there is 26. Qg6 ..but all Black has to do is 24..R:e6 25. d:e6 and unfortunately the rook sac on d7 doesnt work..
I forgot about B on b1 - once I thought of it - I realised it was the move to play it to f5 as I had struggled to find a way to get the d7 knight out of the way....
So I "got" this one for what its worth (well nice for me!) - there was some good defence by Black - a very interesting game <jahhaj > yes f3 was the move I knew White always had |
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| May-20-05 | | Marco65: <It is very funny to see how Crafty thinks 25...Ne5 is bad for black, even preferring 25...Qd6> Not funny to me. I also thought the main variation goes 25...Qd6 26.Bxd7 Qxd7 27.Qxf6. Why has anybody else analyzed only 25...Ne5? |
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May-20-05
| | Richard Taylor: 27 h3 is an very good move as White cant play 27 Nd7 as Nxd7 28 ed7 Re1# This was a great tactical to and fro (and stategical ideas) |
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May-20-05
| | Richard Taylor: 25...Qd6 26 Be6+ Kh8 27 Bd7 Qd7 28 Qf6+ Kg8 29 d6 Re1 30 Re1 and Black i lost - my analysis |
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May-20-05
| | Richard Taylor: Or 29....Rad8 30 h4 White seems to be much better |
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| May-20-05 | | szyymek: next black's continuation in 24'th move is 24...Qc7 and Zhidkow play ofcource 25.Be6+ then Black King goes to the corner h8 and what is next? There is no win for the whites... |
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| May-20-05 | | awfulhangover: I found Bf5!! It's the best move, but not a forced win, is it? |
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| May-20-05 | | pubs r us: Darn, found the initial move but missed Black's best response. |
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