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J Smith vs George H Derrickson
"Pony Express" (game of the day Aug-25-2006)
Philadelphia (1860), Philadelphia, PA USA
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense (C55)  ·  0-1



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May-11-05  mandar: Instead of 9. Nh2 if Nfd2 was played then?
Aug-29-05  Chessography: mandar: I believe 10. Ng4 would just be answered by ...gxf2+, Nxf2 ...Nxe4!! dxe4 (otherwise the knight ends up on g3) ...Qxg5 and Black's attacking chances are simply too much too handle for little NN.
Aug-29-05  Chessography: Also, 10. Ng4, ...gxf2+, Nxf2, ...Nxe4!!, Bxd8, ...Ng3, Bxf7+?!, ...Kxd8!, Bh5, ...Rxh5, Qxh5, ...Nxh5 after which the other rook will soon come to h8 and the knight back to g3, causing complete pandemonium in the White camp.
Dec-27-05  sigi: <Chessography> 10.♘g4 gxf2 11.♖xf2! pins the knight on f6 a second time. White seems to have the edge.
May-04-06  PolishPentium: What about 9 Nh4 rather than the played move 9 Nh2? Black then doesn't seem to have any immediate way of attacking either White's h-file N or the g-file B...
May-16-06  SJP: 9. Nh4 is better, as White keeps the advantage; a probable continuation is 9...g3 10. Nc3 gxf2+ 11. Rxf2 (not 11. Kh1? Be3!, losing the bishop due to 12. Bxe3 Rxh4#) Qd7! (subtle) 12. Bxf6 gxf6 13. Nd5
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Once again, White castles much too soon in the Italian Game and gets pummelled--or should I write "pommelled," as in "pommel horse?"
Aug-25-06  chessmoron: 9. Nh4 might gave white the edge it needed. Huge mistake 11. Bxd8.
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  WannaBe: Ouch, Ouch, Ouch, Ouch. It's like being kicked by one of them horsie looking piece!
Aug-25-06  mitsuo: I'm not exactly a strong player in particular, but, concerning the 10. Ng4 line, what would white do after 10...Kd7, with the basic intent to start an attack down the h-file? I haven't made a detailed analysis, but here's what I've got:

11. Qf3 runs right into 11...Rh1+ 12. Kxh1 Qh8+ 13. Kg1 Nxg4 14. Qxg3 Qh5, where Black seems to stand better, even though he's down the exchange. Ironically, it's white's king who's exposed to attack instead of blacks.

11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. Qf3 Nd4 and black stands better.

I know that the analysis supporting 10...Kd7 is very broad, and am awaiting for a slap back into reality when some other kibitzers get ahold of this line ;-). But to me, black's attack seems to keep on rolling.

Aug-25-06  kinghunt72: A Great game! White easily could've dodged torture by several moves like 9.d4 gxf3 10. dxc5 fxg2 11. Kxg2, or 10. Ng4 (Nf3 undefends the g4 square), and should definitely avoid the 11th move queen capture with 11. d4 gxf2+ 12. Rxf2 Nxf2 13. Kxf2 Bxd4+ 14. Kg3, leaving the white king loose but white can regain himsewlf with development. Lastly, White could have thwarted imminent mate by playing 15. Nbd2 instead of Nfd2. But Black would most likely win anyway.
Aug-25-06  kinghunt72: 10... Kd7 could backfire with 11. Bxf7. I have analysis on that, but its excessive...
Aug-25-06  Chess Lou Zer: Wow! Incredible!
Aug-25-06  EmperorAtahualpa: NN got trampled by the cavalry!
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  sfm: 9.-,Nh2??
Aug-25-06  EmperorAtahualpa: Derrickson played this game when he was about 15 years old. He died at about 17 years old in 1862. What a shame! He probably would have become a terrific player.

Aug-25-06  mitsuo: <Kinghunt72> Ack! You're probably right. After 11. Bxf7, black cannot count on gaining material compensation for his rook, which was the basis of ...Kd7.

Analysis is welcome, of course, and if it's excessive, all the better! It'll fill the holes in mine!

In anycase, thanks for the pointer <Kinghunt72> ;-)

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  kevin86: Rarely do two knights take over a game like they do in this one. White,on the other hand,has FOUR very inactive minor pieces.
Aug-25-06  Knight13: "NOOOO! I want the queen!! And knight!!! I'm taking the chances!! NOO! The more pieces I get the more winning chances!" --- NN
Aug-25-06  schnarre: Giddy'up!
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  patzer2: White needed to play 8. c3 . After 11...Bxf2+! Black has a winning skewer, picking off the White Queen with decisive advantage.
Sep-29-07  jon01: This NN is named Smith according to opening explorer.
Jan-07-09  WhiteRook48: this NN got mated by two knights, which are written N. So NN got mated by ♘♘ or NN (two knights). NNice game.
Mar-17-09  WhiteRook48: 8 hxg4? was the first mistake
Sep-10-15  The Kings Domain: Haunting game, considering its age and the early death of the victor. One wonders what Derrickson could have achieved had he lived longer.
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