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Prince Andrey Dadian of Mingrelia vs M Bitcham
Zugdidi (1892), Zugdidi RUE
Italian Game: Scotch Gambit. Anderssen Attack (C56)  ·  1-0

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Apr-11-06  MorphyMatt: <morphy234> a stranger mate is Morphy vs Le Carpentier, 1849
Sep-25-06  DanielBryant: Is any of this sound?
May-22-07  gBizzle: DONT PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF THIS

Prince Dadian payed people to lose brilliantly to him

Jul-14-07  syracrophy: <<gBizzle: DONT PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF THIS

Prince Dadian payed people to lose brilliantly to him>>

Please, if you don't know what you're saying, just keep it down. All moves are completely sound.

Before going on bad judging, ANALYSE IT BEFORE.

Also, study more spelling. Its "paid", not "payed"

May-18-08  JimmyVermeer: The city is misspelled here. It's Zugdidi, not Zugzidi. I was wondering where Mingrelia is, so I looked it up. It's actually part of Georgia now.

syracrophy, it's not correct to say that all moves are sound. Bitcham erred on his 13th, 14th, and 17th moves.

May-18-08  Calli: A vast amount of information available on Dadian at Sarah Beth's site: http://sbchess.sinfree.net/dadiani....
Jul-29-08  JonathanJ: of course not all of bitcham's moves are completely sound, otherwise he wouldn't have lost ;) i think syracrophy is talking about dadian's moves
Aug-20-08  Trigonometrist: Also a beautifull ending:

15... fxe6
16.Qh5+ Kf8
17.Nxe6+ Kg8
18.Nf6+ gxf6
19.Qg6#

Jan-02-09  WhiteRook48: wow. white sacs queen, then checkmates and both his rook and bishop are hanging.
Jan-31-09  WhiteRook48: we don't even know if Dadian paid people to lose to him
Mar-06-09  FiveofSwords: black erred pretty bad on his 8th move actually imo.
Jul-02-09  sneaky pete: 10... Bc5 is a mistake, black should play 10... Qc5 as in Spielmann vs Breyer, 1914.

Other sources give the name Mitcham and the (fitting) location Monte Carlo.

Jul-02-09  Calli: Steinitz published the game in his first New York Herald column on October 19, 1890 as "played a short tlme back at Zougdidi, in the Caucasus" and gave the name as M Bitcham.

Of course, with Dadian, names, places and times may have only existed in his head.

Aug-03-12  e4 resigns: 17...hxg5 18.Ne7 i think.
Couldn't find anything better, but white still has a nice position after 18...Nxe7 19.Rxe7 Qxb2 20. Rae1
Dec-22-12  DanielBryant: I tried to submit this game for a Pun of the Day with a Miles Davis reference, and received an automated message threatening me with being banned from the site.
Dec-22-12
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  perfidious: <DanielBryant> My guess would be that you referred to Davis' album, (blank) Brew.....
Dec-22-12
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  perfidious: <whiteshark> Is that a town somewhere near Natchez? I've never heard of it at any rate!
Dec-22-12  DanielBryant: <perfidous> Yep...
Dec-02-15  offramp:


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A fatal concatenation of pieces around the black king.

Jun-16-16
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  whiteshark: <perfidious: <whiteshark> Is that a town somewhere near Natchez? I've never heard of it at any rate!> ? ? ? Am I confused ?
Jun-16-16
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  perfidious: <whiteshark> Cannot imagine what my question was about, as you had not even posted here till now.
Oct-24-16  Bubo bubo: <morphy234: That's the strangest-looking mate I've ever seen.>

Yes, nice fabrication - I doubt that there is a single genuine win of Andrey D.!

Oct-24-17  Ilkka Salonen: I think it is somewhat intriguing question, to what extent his games were honest. I remind of the famous Lasker line about chess and honesty, and no doubt this guy was a true chess fan. But who knows what was his usual level of honesty in human interaction him being a monarch or royalty. Naturally chess as a game of concentration is a subtle thing, and little things, such as touch-move errors or people chatting near can have huge impact.
Aug-28-18  Jean Defuse: ...

This game was probably played in Monaco.

Source: 'The Press' 1 January 1898, page 3:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/n...

...

Aug-31-18  Jean Defuse: ...

Deutsche Schachzeitung 1893 Vol. 47, p. 160:

'Odessa (H. G.). Besten Dank für die freundliche Mitteilung. Wir stellen in Folge derselben unsere Berichtigung im Septemberheft 1892 S. 288 dahin richtig, dass die Partie zwischen S. H. dem Prinzen <Dadian von Mingrelien und Herrn Bitcham> (Juliheft 1892 S. 209) tatsächlich in <Monaco> gespielt und Herrn Steinitz nur von Zugzidi aus zugesandt worden ist.'

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