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|Nov-28-07|| ||Komapsimnita: Just couldn't see the Qd5+. Got the Bishop and knight moves, but my minds eye tricked me into thinking that the path to d5 was still blocked when it wasn't. Can you get glasses for your mind's eye?|
|Nov-28-07|| ||FICSwoodpusher: A very nice sac sac mate combination. 9. ... Nd7 is the sort of mistake that you wouldn't forget in a hurry.|
|Nov-28-07|| ||newzild: Another easy one - it's been an easy week.
The first thing to notice is that black's queen is smothered, and that Ne6 would win it if the f7 pawn couldn't capture. So let's try 10.Bxf7+ Kxf7 11.Ne6. Of course the king can capture now, but it's dangerously centralised. There's probably a mate here - sure enough, Qd5+ and Qf5 mate.
Took about 5 seconds.
It's amazing that the great Tarrasch allowed such a simple mate.
|Nov-28-07|| ||TheaN: 3/3
The initial move was easy to spot (is there something else?) but I was looking a long time at Qh5. Thinking it won after something like g7 with Qxh7+ I still went on looking for a better continuation (I had the feeling Black had some escape), after which I immediately saw 11.Ne6 with Kxe6 and Qd5+ (although I went on with a mating trap with Bg5+, Qf5+ with mate on the g-file instead of immediately Qf5#, I mated >_>).
Strange that I got the correct solution whilst looking ten times longer at (and not seeing a clear refutation of) the losing line.
|Nov-28-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: For all those surprised that Tarrasch allowed such a simple mate, I would like to repeat my guess:|
<I suppose Tarrasch let himself be mated on purpose, rather than suffer a slow agony after 11...Kg8 12.NxQ.>
|Nov-28-07|| ||egilarne: As <Eggman> has stated, this game has similarities to
L Monosson vs Fauque, 1935
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nd7 3.Bc4 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Ng5+ Kf6
I may add the following: Lusgin vs Joffe, 1968
1. e4 d6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bc4 Nd7??, and it is even more impressing that black is dead lost after 3 moves in that game - 4. Bxf7+! is a forced win - wins queen or mates.
|Nov-28-07|| ||DarthStapler: Hey, I got this! I'm on a lucky streak|
|Nov-28-07|| ||aazqua: Very famous game and a nice combo.|
|Nov-28-07|| ||OhioChessFan: <I suppose Tarrasch let himself be mated on purpose, rather than suffer a slow agony after 11...Kg8 12.NxQ.>|
<MAJ> It was slower to play a King move than to simply tip it over.
|Nov-28-07|| ||vibes43: <Komapsimnita> touched on my problem. I have more trouble visualizing where spaces will have been created than where moved pieces will be. I missed 12.Qd5+.|
|Nov-28-07|| ||GannonKnight: Three for three! Got this one quickly. Just by looking at the position, the key had to be a way to suffocate the queen. The cool part is the fact that the only way to prevent was to leave the king out in the open.|
|Nov-28-07|| ||jperr75108: very pretty problem|
|Dec-13-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: As previously noted in a comment by <chancho> on an earlier page of this thread (page 2) when this game was used for the daily puzzle (Nov-28-07), Von Holzhausen's concluding combination resembles the winning tactic from this famous game: Fischer vs Reshevsky, 1958|
|Mar-03-09|| ||WhiteRook48: too bad this is now known as Fischer's tactics|
|May-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 9...Nd7|
|Apr-21-11|| ||SeanBurdine: Tarrasch's timing was 1 move off in this game. If instead of 8... R-K1? he immediately plays 8... N-Q2, to be followed up with 9... B-B3 and 10... N(Q2)-K4, he emerges with a somewhat cramped but solidly defendable position. With his KB2 guarded by the Rook, that sequence of moves works. It's only after he removed a very necessary guard from the weak spot at KB2 that 9... N-Q2??? becomes a game-losing blunder. Timing is everything...|
|Apr-21-11|| ||sevenseaman: From the comments one is led to believe it was Tarrasch who lost the game rather than Holzhausen won it.|
One could go on making appropriate apologies for poor Black play but clearly Holzhausen did make the two strong moves, 10. Bxf7 and 11. Ne6 as the opportunity presented itself.
|Apr-21-11|| ||Calli: Lets restore a little of Tarrasch's esteem. First, this game is from a simultaneous display. He was playing 25 other games. Secondly, this is the incorrect score, he did not play 11...Kxe6 and get mated. The correct score follows:|
[Event "Simul, 1 of 26"]
[Site "Frankfurt, Germany"]
[White "Walther Von Holzhausen"]
[Black "Siegbert Tarrasch"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.0-0 d6 6.Nxd4 Be7 7.Nc3 0-0 8.h3 Re8 9.Re1 Nd7 10.Bxf7+ Kxf7
11.Ne6 Nde5 12.Qh5+ Kg8 13.Nxd8 Rxd8 14.Nd5 resigns 1-0
See C.N. 6382 for more information.
|Dec-25-14|| ||Oliveira: <See C.N. 6382 for more information:>|
|Dec-26-14|| ||Oliveira: Oops... wrong link!
For more on this von Holzhausen vs Tarrasch game you should go to http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...
|Sep-10-15|| ||SeanAzarin: Tarrasch clearly had a bad day at the office, so to speak. And it wasn't due to any pressure his opponent was putting on his position: the errors were unforced. |
I. A. Horowitz, analyzing the game, comments as follows:
[On Tarrasch's 8th move] "Played with singular lack of judgment."
[On Tarrasch's even more disastrous 9th move] "Black is blind to the difficulties of his position, and instead of trying 9... N-K4, which would at least offer temporary relief, he stumbles into a fatal trap which he has constructed with his own feeble moves."
|Jul-26-16|| ||Gypsy: <Calli: ... Secondly, this is the incorrect score, he did not play 11...Kxe6 and get mated. ...>|
Lot's of folklore in old chess books. I just found this game, in the notes to Fischer vs Reshevsky, 1958 -- in Pachman's "Modern Chess Tactics". Pachman gives it also with the <11.Ne6! Kxe6 12.Qd5+...> finish.
|Jun-20-18|| ||zanzibar: The correct version of the game had made it to San Francisco within a year of its play:|
|Jun-21-18|| ||sudoplatov: I'd like to add the game Lachex vs J Nogueiras, 1990. (I was one of the program's authors.) The loser was not Jesus Nogueiras of Cuba but another J. Nogueiras from the US.|
|Jun-21-18|| ||zanzibar: Whoa, on two counts....
1) Lachex was written in Fortran and assembler.
(Betcha it wasn't that namby-pamby F9x/2k stuff either)
2) Wikispaces is closing. (Ouch for chessprogramming pages)
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