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| Oct-20-10 | | sevenseaman: A crystalized thinking process marks Polerios game here and he duly arrives at just reward. |
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| Jun-21-11 | | Llawdogg: Wow! A four hundred year old game! And this Polerio guy has six other games in the database. |
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Dec-20-11
 | | Penguincw: Nice effort by black not to lose the game. |
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| Mar-14-12 | | RookFile: Nothing quite like seeing Italians play the Fried Liver. They have a way of going right for the throat. |
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Jul-12-12
 | | Peligroso Patzer: < Abdooss: Svidler almost beat Anand playing Fried Liver Attack in 1999, which spawned from Ruy Lopez Open - Svidler drew that game! Svidler vs Anand, 1999 > Although the early middlegame play in the referenced game featured motifs similar to a Fried Liver Attack, the opening in that game actually would not be classified precisely as such. As far as is concerned the assessment that Svidler almost beat Anand in that game, indeed, yes! Svidler actually had a forced win in the final position (in which he agreed to a draw). See comments posted in this thread: Svidler vs Anand, 1999. |
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| Feb-04-13 | | Llawdogg: Thanks zb2cr for the conclusion. |
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Mar-30-13
 | | Check It Out: 1610! Fun game to play through, and interesting notes in the kibitzing. |
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| Oct-01-13 | | Conrad93: This game is relatively modern for 1610. |
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| Nov-28-16 | | Jesse555: ÎÒ·¢ÏÖ²»ÐàµÄÃû¾Ö¶¼ÊÇÓÐÕùÒéµÄ |
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| Apr-15-17 | | Yigor: It seems that 10. dxe5 is better than 10. Bg5 and it leads to forced winning lines for white. PSCC: ZEe (KPG) --> 2Ede --> 6Ed2e --> 6Edf2e (Fried Liver, +0.18) --> 6Edf2De |
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May-03-18
 | | offramp: <Conrad93: This game is relatively modern for 1610.> Yes, in fact if Giulio Cesare Polerio came back from the dead and began playing today, he would need only a few minutes to catch up on opening theory and he would once again be the World Champion. |
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| May-03-18 | | zev22407: POLGAR WON IN 200
Judit Polgar vs Shakhriyar Mamedyarov |
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| May-03-18 | | zev22407: polgar won with the same "sac" in 2002 against mamediarov |
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| May-03-18 | | morfishine: There is no such thing as "Old Fried Liver"
Due to its pungent and disagreeable taste, Liver is almost always consumed immediately, quickly & totally Any Liver not consumed is happily tossed into the back yard for the dogs to fight over There are no leftovers
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May-03-18
| | offramp: <zev22407: polgar won with the same "sac" in 2002 against mamediarov> You have a good memory. Here is the game.
Judit Polgar vs Mamedyarov, 2002.
The Mame-meister was 17 at the time, Polgar was 26. |
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| Jun-03-19 | | sea7kenp: <morfishine>, I chuckled over that myself. Does this mean that there is also a "Modern Fried Liver"? And then it hit me: "Old Fried Liver" was the Pun! |
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Jun-03-19
 | | fredthebear: Perhaps it should have been "oldie but goodie" Fried Liver? |
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| Jun-06-19 | | morfishine: <sea7kenp: <morfishine>, I chuckled over that myself. Does this mean that there is also a "Modern Fried Liver"?...And then it hit me: "Old Fried Liver" was the Pun!> The origin for my remark was my roommate's dog, a 100 lb German Shepard named 'King' who was totally my friend, a really great dog. What happened was my roommate Jim talked me into eating Liver and Onions, which I accepted. But, I could not eat this Beef Liver, I find Liver disgusting...So I laid my slab of Liver on a piece of wood out back, and shortly King ran up, grabbed the slab of bloody Liver, then tossed it in the air, and then waiting expectantly for the Liver to descend to the earth, opened his jaws and allowed this 1 pound of beef liver to basically be inhaled in 3 seconds by this wonderful dog I'll never forget the sight
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| Jan-27-20 | | sea7kenp: <morfishine>, I hated Hot Dogs as a child, and so, when I thought my Parents weren't looking, fed them to our Pekingese under the table. Worked fine, until I was caught. Punishment? The "Board of Education" (a 2x4) against my backside. Our Dog didn't complain. |
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| Jan-29-20 | | morfishine: <sea7kenp> but you weren't supposed to get caught |
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Jul-19-21
| | fredthebear: <sea7kenp> I received the "Board of Education" too, but not for hot dogs. It's a real bummer when the dog doesn't eat the food and it ends up on the floor! |
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| Oct-16-22 | | thechessforum: Fried Liver Attack (How to win and Defend)
https://thechessforum.com/fried-liv... |
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| Oct-16-22 | | Chessius the Messius: The attack you want to avoid at all costs. |
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| Jan-05-23 | | generror: A classic Fried Liver attack in the Italian Game. Both play the opening pretty well, choosing the sharpest lines (Two Knights Defense and Knight Attack). <5...Nxd5> is a bit inaccurate (ironically, Polerio's Defense <5...Na5> is deemed to be more effective, but he played White here), but after a series of inaccuracies and mistakes from move 8 to 12, he still achieves equality. Unfortunately, Black then begins some ill-advised counterplay with his rook, gambling away this important defender of his king, and the final nail in his coffin is that horrible pointless pawn grab <17...Bxh4??>. Sure dude, that pawn will definitively make a difference. However, Polerio has his share of mistakes too, usually overly aggressive and flashy moves. (Did he introduce that all-out attacking style to chess?) <10.Bg5?> looks threatening, but really isn't and actually throws away his advantage, which the simple and natural <10.dxe5> would have preserved. <16.h4?!> is natural, but <16.Rxd2 Bxd2 17.Rf1> is much stronger, threatening <18.Qf5+ Ke7 19.Qf7#>, and actually being a forced mate by move 33 according to Stockfish. Finally, <20.Rd6+?!> does win, but <20.Rd4+> is mate in 5. But that's nagging on a pretty high level. Compared to earlier games, this still ain't master level, but it's good, and one can definitively see that people had begun to do some opening theory; up to <8...Ne7?>, both players play these highly tactical lines pretty perfectly. |
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| Jan-05-23 | | generror: Chessius the Messius>: Yep, <4.Ng5> is dangerous and must definitively be treated with respect, but with a good introductory opening theory book and some practice, you'll see that it's pretty easy to equalize with Black. The key move is the Polerio Defense <5...Na5!>, and after <6.Lb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Bd3 Nd5 9.Nf3>, white is a pawn up, but looks a bit silly being virtually undeveloped after nine moves. Sure, black's queenside pawns are frazzled and the knight on a5 doesn't do much, but he's in the game has has the psychological advantage of having won the first battle. (Or, even simpler, just don't play <3...Nf6> to simply avoid the convolutions of this variation :) Good introductory books are Collins' <Understanding Chess Openings> (2005), which is a really fun read and totally enough for patzer-level play, or a bit more in-depth, Van der Sterren's <Fundamental Chess Openings (FCO)> (2009). Both focus on explaining the motivations behind the moves, which I find much more helpful than endless lists of variations 20 moves deep. You can of course also watch some Youtuber hyping some weird and obscure opening (and silently skipping its refutations :). This actually is also helpful, and surely more fun, but I found that actually reading a good book makes me feel much more secure when confronting these kind of attacks. |
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