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Yakov Estrin vs Koptev
"Koptev Audience" (game of the day Jul-30-2019)
Moscow (1941), Moscow URS
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Perreux Variation (C55)  ·  0-1



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Feb-12-06  CeeFoR: That's got to hurt
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  fredthebear: A poke in the Queen's eye definitely hurts!!
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  OhioChessFan: "Koptev Audience"
Jul-30-19  Cheapo by the Dozen: Feels like a fun 19th Century game. :)
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Could have sworn that White had the edge after 14.Bg5; underestimated the counterattack beginning with 14...b6! 15.Qd3 might prove a critical error--perhaps 15.Qf4 improves?
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  Pyrandus: "Critical error"? I like this expression.
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  OhioChessFan: <Pyrandus>, so do I. I didn't lose my last game due to a stupid mistake. It was a critical error.
Jul-30-19  goodevans: <An Englishman> I agree. To my amateur eyes white looked better after <14.Bg5> but the way the game panned out showed how much attacking potential was in black's position and how much weakness was in white's.

After your suggestion <15.Qf4>, <15...Bc5+ 16.Kh1 Qh5> brings about a position similar to the game.

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White has saved a tempo compared with the game continuation but it's of little good to him as there's simply nothing he can do to stop the same devastating <17...Be3!>.

It seems it's imperative on move 15 to stop <...Bc5> being made with either Q pin or check. The B retreat <15.Be3> would achieve that but feels very passive. Maybe sac'ing the exchange with <15.Rxf8+> is best.

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  catlover: What a fun game! Was Paul Morphy playing black?

I wonder if 16. Bf4 would have improved White's chances.

Jul-30-19  Autoreparaturwerkbau: White should play simple <16.Bf4> and all is well.
Jul-30-19  goodevans: <catlover>, <Autoreparaturwerkbau> 16.Bf4 is an improvement but is still in black's favour. If you're using an engine try increasing the depth of the search.

White would be better addressing his problems a move earlier.

Jul-30-19  RandomVisitor: If white wants to play the 5.Ng5?! line here he should know that 6.Qxd4 is almost necessary after 5...Ne5. Why play a line so early in the opening that gives so much to your opponent?

After 5.Ng5

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52/71 5:30:10 -0.62 5. ... d5 6.exd5 Qe7+ 7.Kf1 Ne5 8.Qxd4 Nxc4 9.Qxc4 h6 10.Nf3 Qc5 11.Qe2+ Be7 12.Be3 Qxd5 13.Nc3 Qa5 14.Bf4 Qb4 15.Qb5+ c6 16.Qxb4 Bxb4 17.Re1+ Kf8 18.a3 Bxc3 19.bxc3 Be6 20.h3 Nd5 21.Bd6+ Kg8 22.c4 Nb6 23.c5 Nc4 24.Nd4 Bd5 25.Re7 Kh7 26.Kg1 b5 27.Kh2 Nxa3 28.Ra1 b4 29.c3 a5 30.cxb4 axb4 31.Rb7 Nc4 32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Rxb4 Ra2 34.Kg3 Rd2 35.Nf3 Bxf3 36.Kxf3 Nxd6 37.cxd6 Rxd6 38.Ra4 Rd2 39.g3

<52/73 5:30:10 -0.43 5. ... Ne5 6.Qxd4> Qe7 7.0-0 Qc5 8.Qxc5 Bxc5 9.Be2 d6 10.Nc3 Bd7 11.Nf3 0-0-0 12.Nxe5 dxe5 13.a3 Bc6 14.Bd3 Bd4 15.Bd2 a5 16.Rad1 Rhe8 17.Rfe1 a4 18.g3 Nd7 19.Nb5 f6 20.Bf1 Bb6 21.Nc3 Nc5 22.Bh3+ Kb8 23.Kg2 Ne6 24.Bxe6 Rxe6 25.Be3 Bd4 26.Bxd4 exd4 27.f3 Red6 28.Ne2 d3 29.cxd3 Rxd3 30.Rxd3 Rxd3 31.Nc3 b5 32.Kf2 Kb7 33.Rd1 Rxd1 34.Nxd1 Kb6 35.Ne3

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  gezafan: Isn't Estrin supposed to be an expert in the Two Knights? It just shows how even specialists in an opening can be surprised.

Chess is a complicated game.

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  keypusher: < gezafan: Isn't Estrin supposed to be an expert in the Two Knights? It just shows how even specialists in an opening can be surprised. Chess is a complicated game.>

I think I have a warped perspective on Estrin, because the (few) games of his I know generally feature him losing in his favorite open games. Like Estrin vs Berliner, 1965 and Estrin vs V Palciauskas, 1978.

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  An Englishman: Good Evening: <goodevans>, you found a good line, but doesn't White's saved tempo allow him to play 17.Qg3 in your position? Now White's Bishop can guard the e3 square while the Queen can protect h2.
Jul-31-19  goodevans: <An Englishman> 17.Qg3 would exactly replicate the position in the game after white's 17th move.
Jul-31-19  RandomVisitor: After 8...Nxe4

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<56/82 7:47:10 -0.72 9.Bd5 Nc5 10.0-0> Ne6 11.Qf3 Qe7 12.Nd2 g4 13.Qxg4 Qh4 14.Qxh4 Rxh4 15.Nf3 Rh8 16.Bd2 Be7 17.Rae1 c5 18.c3 dxc3 19.bxc3 Rb8 20.Bxe6 dxe6 21.Ng5 Rf8 22.Nh7 Rg8 23.Ng5 b6 24.Nxf7 Ba6 25.Rf4 Bd3 26.Nd6+ Kd7 27.Rg4 g5 28.c4 Kc6 29.Rg3 Bxd6 30.Rxd3 Be7 31.Be3 Rgd8 32.Ra3 a5 33.Rb1 Rh8 34.Bf2 Rhf8 35.Bg3 Rfd8 36.Rf3 Rd2 37.Rf7 Bd8 38.Rh7 Bc7 39.Rh6 Rxa2 40.Rxe6+ Kd7

Jul-31-19  Ironmanth: Nasty! Thanks, chessgames. Y'all have a great summer day out there in chessland...
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