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Jurez vs Gasloi
ARG (1968)
Italian Game: Scotch Gambit. Double Gambit Accepted (C56)  ·  0-1



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Jan-17-11  Julian713: Glad I wasn't the only one who thought this was tough for a Monday...still got it though. Skills increasing every week, woot :D
Jan-17-11  Ratt Boy: <controlaltdelete>: check out M.Hassan's analysis, above of 21.Re1, Bf5+ (instead of ...Bf3+). I find it convincing.
Jan-17-11  Fuegoverde: You can't even trust mondays? I was quite proud of seeing 16... Qxg3+, 17 hxg3 Rxg3+, 18 Kh2 Rh3+ and black surely resings, and that was what Juarez thought too. I can imagine how bad he must have felt, when after the game, someone pointed out that with 19 Kg2 Rg8+, 20 Qg5 Bxg5, white has still a chance to fight.
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  OhioChessFan: 16. ... Qxg3+ 17. hxg3 Rxg3+ 18. Kh2 Rh3+ 19. Kg2 Rg8+ 20. Qg4 Bxg4 21. Rg1 Bf3+ 22. Kxh3 Rxg1 23. Bxf7 Bxf2 24. Be3 Rg3+ 25. Kh2 Rg2+ 26. Kh3 Bxe3 27. Bxh5 Ng6 28. Ne2 Bxe2 29. Kxg2 Nf4+

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Jan-17-11  goodevans: This is Monday, right? I'm in work and there are others here so it must be a weekday. I'm pretty sure I wasn't here yesterday so it's looking like it probably is Monday. I think I'll dig this morning's newspaper out of the bin just to be sure ...
Jan-17-11  cydmd: <TheaN> and <zb2cr>, 20.Qg4 only works if 19.Kg2 !!! In the game, resignation is ok.
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  johnlspouge: < <dzechiel> wrote: [snip] The most advanced Monday position I remember. [snip] >

By contrast, I thought, "This is the easiest Sunday ever." Then I remembered that I was at home because (in the United States) today is a federal holiday :)

Jan-17-11  1.e4effort: One thing i tend to do, probably especially on Monday, is underestimate the strength of replies the "opponent" will make (in this case, White). I figure I'll make my move and the opposition will fall right into my hands. I need to learn these players are not my 10 year old grandson who is just learning the game. I had mate in 4, overlooking the WQ's ability to block at least one time. At least on Monday, the first move is not hard to spot!! BTW <lennonfan> I see Liverpool and Everton played to a 2-2 draw. I would say a middling result from 2 middling teams - eh?
Jan-17-11  TheaN: <Ratt Boy, zb2cr>

Immature correction guys, immature. Hm. My bad though, ofc I meant premature ^^.


Part of the problem is that I have no Java on this computer and can hardly review games other than with the PGN viewer and I didn't see White played Kg1. I'd say that White's 19.Kg1 is as much as a premature resignation: 19.Kg2 is just more logical and White was probably already anticipating 19....Rg8 20.resign.

It's in a certain way simple. This is a prove that attacking is easier than defending, and in any retrospect a defense is much harder to find than an offense.

Jan-17-11  TheaN: <I wasn't there, so I can't confirm <TheaN>'s suggestion that White's resignation was immature. (Maybe he threw a hissy fit and stomped out of the room.)>

I have to admit that it took me a while to anticipate my error even after reading this, and was like "?", just to lol for about a minute on this wording after I did understand what you meant: but that's perhaps just my imagination of creating such a situation in my head (the White player throwing around with the board/pieces, rushing mad out of the room, etc ^^).

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  patzer2: I missed 19. Kg2! Rg8+ 20. Qg4! as holding off immediate mate. However, 20...Bxg4! still leaves Black with a crushing position and leaves the initial 16...Qxg3+! as a sound winning move.

However, it's not exactly a typical Monday level "easy" puzzle.

Jan-17-11  Patriot: I agree completely with <patzer2>. Giving the queen back after 19.Kg2 Rg8+ 20.Qg4 stops mate but is not much consolation to white. Black is up a pawn although this is a very narrow margin for error to be winning--black should play on. However, I'm not sure which is better: 20...Bxg4 or 20...Rxg4+. In the latter case, 21.Kxh3 Rg1+ followed by 22...Rxf1 seems more interesting. On 22.Kh4 Rxf1 23.Kxh5 f6 begins to weave a mating net. Since I don't see an immediate win after 20...Bxg4 I like 20...Rxg4+ better because of the way it simplifies.

Now I'll just see what Fritz has to say and probably end up looking like a fool.

Jan-17-11  Patriot: Correction: <Black is up a pawn although this is a very narrow margin for error to be winning--black should play on.> should say <...--white should play on.>

I ran it thru Fritz and it likes 20...Bxg4 (-4.65) over 20...Rxg4+ (-2.27). It also likes 20...hxg4 (-3.69). But as I look at this, I still like 20...Rxg4+ as a more practical human choice. It looks easier to play out.

Jan-17-11  Petrotal: Correct game information:

MI Carlos Eleodoro Juarez vs.
MN Luis Enrique Gasloli

Villa Gesell - 1968

Jan-17-11  ahubers: I found it but forgot that the bishop was protecting h3... so dismissed what I found.

More challenging than your average monday.

Jan-17-11  MaczynskiPratten: I think that Chessgames missed Qg4, and maybe so did everyone else over the next 42 years until <PhonyBenoni>. (If anyone looked at it, of course, in the days before I certainly did, but then I was assuming "It's a Monday, so must be simple".

But maybe are making it a "super Sunday" because of the bank holiday in certain parts of the world!

Either way, maybe this could appear in a few months as a Monday/Tuesday puzzle at White's 19th move. "White to play and - nearly draw."

Jan-17-11  caissafan1963: I found the game continuation pretty easily, but confess I missed Black's best defensive maneuver with Kg2/Qg4. So yesterday they throw us a softball for a Sunday, then today hit with with something a bit harder for a Monday.
Jan-17-11  DarthStapler: Got it, I also saw the Kg2 defense but figured black was winning anyway
Jan-17-11  wals: Bewdy, nice way to start the week.

Rybka 4 x 64

Black error: d 18 : 6 min :
(+0.69):13...Nh6. Best,
1. = (-0.02): 13...cxb4 14.Ng5 Bd7 15.Qd2 b5 16.Bb2 Bxb2 17.Qxb2 f6 18.cxb5 Rxb5 19.Be4 Bf5 20.Rec1 Rc5 21.Nf4 Nh6 22.Rxc5 dxc5 23.Rc1 Ne5 24.Bxf5 Nxf5 25.Ne4 Qb7 26.Ne6 Nd7

2. = (0.07): 13...Nxb4 14.Nxb4 cxb4 15.Qa4+ Bd7 16.Qxb4[] Nf6 17.Ng5 b6 18.Bf3 Ng4 19.Bd5 0-0 20.Qa3 Qc7 21.Bd2 Nf6 22.Bg2 Rbc8 23.Qa6 Ng4 24.Bd5

White error: d 19 : 4 min :
( 0.00):14.Bb2. Best,

1. (0.67): 14.bxc5 dxc5 15.Bf4 b6 16.Bxb8 Qxb8 17.Ng5 Bd7 18.e3 Ng4 19.Bg2 Qe5

2. (0.26): 14.Nxf6+ Bxf6 15.bxc5 dxc5 16.Bf4 Ra8 17.Ng5 Bxg5 18.Bxg5 f6 19.Bd2 Kf7 20.Bc3 b6 21.Qd2 e5 22.a4 Qc7 23.Be4 Be6 24.f4 exf4 25.Rf1 Rad8

White error: d 18 : 6 min :
(-=0.53)17.d4. Best,

1. = (-0.09): 17.bxc5 dxc5 18.d4 cxd4 19.Nxd4 Bd7 20.Bd5 Kg7 21.e3 Nxd4 22.Qxd4 Bc6 23.Red1 Qh3 24.Qe4 Qh5 25.Bxc6 bxc6 26.Kg2 Rxb1 27.Qxb1 Qh3+ 28.Kf3 Re8 29.Rd6

2. = (-0.18): 17.b5 Ne5 18.Nxe5 fxe5 19.Qd2 Kg7 20.Be4 Qd7 21.b6 a6 22.Red1 Bf5 23.Bg2 Rh5 24.Qe3 Bg4 25.Rdc1 Qe7 26.Re1

Blaack error: d 16 : 6 min :
(-=0.09):17...Kg7. Best,

1. (-0.53): 17...Nxb4 18.a3 Nc6 19.dxc5 dxc5 20.Qd6+ Kg7 21.Qxc5 b6 22.Qe3

White blunder: d 17 : 4 min :
(-0.96):18.Qd2. Best,

1. = (-0.09): 18.bxc5 dxc5 19.d5 Bg4 20.Bg2 Bxf3 21.exf3 Nd4 22.Re7 Nf5 23.Re1 Qd7 24.Qd3 Nd4 25.Re3 b5 26.Rc1 bxc4 27.Qxc4 Rb2 28.f4 Re8 29.Rxe8 Qxe8 30.Kf1 Qe7 31.Re1

2. (-0.35): 18.dxc5 dxc5 19.bxc5 Qg4 20.Rb5 a6 21.Rb6 Qxc4 22.Qc1 Qxa2 23.Nd2 Nd4 24.Qc3 Rhd8 25.Rd6 Rxd6 26.cxd6 Nb5 27.Qd3 Be6 28.Ne4 Rd8 29.Rd1

White blunder: d 15 : 3 min :
(-8.05):20.Nxd4. Best,

1. (-0.87): 20.Bg2 Nxf3+ 21.Bxf3 Qe6 22.Qd5 b6 23.Rd1 Qe5 24.Rb3 cxb4 25.Rxb4 Rbd8 26.e3 Be6 27.Qd3 Qc5 28.Qb3 Qf5 29.Bg2 Qh5 30.Ra4 Bg4 31.Rd2 Qh2+ 32.Kf1

2. (-1.17): 20.Nh4 Be6 21.bxc5 dxc5 22.Qc3 Qc7 23.e3 Nc6 24.Bd5 Qa5 25.Rc1 Qxc3 26.Rxc3 Nb4 27.e4 b6 28.a3 Nxd5 29.exd5 Bg4 30.f3 Bd7 31.Kg2

White blunder: d 15 : 2 min :
(-#10):21.Kxh1. Best, Kg2, -8.05.

Black blunder: d 17 : 2 min :
(-18.00):25...Bxf3, Best,

1. (-#3): 25...Bd3+ 26.Qxd3 Rh1+[] 27.Ke2 Qxe1#[]

White blunder: d 19 : 3 min :
(-#2):.26.Nxf3. Best, Qh2, -18.00.

Black with 26...Qxf3, -#1,
(1. (-#1): 27.Qf2 Rh1#[]
2. (-#1): 27.Kg1 Rh1# )

had no need to finish with checkmate as White resigned.

Jan-17-11  WhiteRook48: i love mondays
Jan-17-11  Oliveira: Someway this reminds Schiffers vs Chigorin, 1897, when after 22.♕x7 Chigorin lost a mate combination.
Jan-17-11  James Bowman: Whew saw the pin guessed it was Monday my fair lady away went down quick < 1 min.
Jan-17-11  Nullifidian: A bit more difficult than the average Monday. I was looking for an actual mate, not just a strong plus.

16... ♕xg3+ 17. ♙hxg3 (17. ♔h1 ♕g2#) ♖xg3+. The f-pawn is pinned here, so...

{18. Kh1/h2 Rh3+ 19. Kg2. This move is critical because ♔g1 leads to mate. Now 19... ♖g8+ 20. ♕g4. White will have to give up the queen to stave off mate, but there is no direct mating threat afterward.

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  kevin86: On MLK day, gave us a lot to "overcome". The idea is simple,thought it does require some thought.:

16...♕xg3+ 17 hxg3 ♖xg3+ 18 ♔h2 ♖h3+ 19 ♔g2 ♖g8+ and mates in two more moves....

A SIX move mate on Monday---boy this will be a tough week!

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