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Frederic Whitacre vs D Davis
Columbus (1982), Columbus, OH USA
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Traxler Counterattack Bishop sac line (C57)  ·  0-1

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May-01-07  Manic: What's wrong with 7.Kxf2?
May-01-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: <Manic> Nothing. It's another move, another game, where white's king will be very exposed:

6. Kxf2 Sxe4+ 7. Kg1 Qh4 8. g3 Nxg3

a) 9. hxg3 Qxg3+ 10. Kf1 Rf8 11. Qh5 d5

b) 9. Nxh8 d5 (or Nd4)

c) 9. d4 Sxh1 10. Nxh8 Nxd4!

all these lines have been analysed for at least 10 further moves.

May-01-07
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  whiteshark: <Manic> you might remember this famous game... White Rook Youth Club vs Tal, 1970
May-17-07  Manic: <whiteshark> The two games are different in the sense that instead of 5.Bxf7+ the club played 5.Nxf7, which is considered inferior. Hence the positions have completely different dynamics.

This also means that the analysis you have given me is of no use for analysing this game.

Also, in the Tal game 6.Kxf2 is generally thought of as a mistake (as you seemed to imply), with most people considering 6.Kf1 as the best reply. This game is the only one in the database which has 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.Bb3 Bxf2+.

Nov-04-07
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: So after Kxf2,Nxe4+? simply drops another piece after Ng5xe4--so why doesn't White take the Bishop?
Oct-19-08
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: I'd still like to know what's wrong with 7.Kxf2. Anyone?
Oct-19-08  sneaky pete: <An Englishman> Good morning. There's nothing wrong with 7.Kxf2 .. but maybe Frederic Whitacre still suffered from brain damage inlicted by a previous Traxler with 5.Nxf7 Bx2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ etc, had been advised that 6.Kf1 .. was better in that position, and decided in the present game to play 7.Kf1 .. as well, just to be on the safe side.

Of course Dave Davis too was a bit confused and persisted to play his acquired winning line after 5.Nxf7 .. even though 5.Bxf7+ .. had been played. It's all Ohio stuff collected by Bill Wall, so a game is supposed to be short and silly.

Oct-20-08
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: <sneaky pete>, thanks much for the explanation, but now I'm really confused. I've played lots of short and silly games, but I've never lived in Ohio. Have I been in the wrong country all this time?
May-11-10  uscfratingmybyear: "...but I've never lived in Ohio. Have I been in the wrong country all this time?" You'll need to consult Christopher Isherwood on that one.
May-11-10
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  Phony Benoni: I've never lived in Ohio either, but I have played there. I can assure you they are neither shorter nor sillier than players in any other U.S. state or English county. The difference is they had somebody willing to make the effort to preserve and publish their games, even those of non-master standard.

I could show you lots of similar examples from Michigan. Try this one:

Kenneth Roberts - Jack Choyke
East Detroit, MI, 1984

<1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.e3 Bg7 5.Nf3 dxc4 6.Bxc4 Nfd7>


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<7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Ng5+ Kf6 9.Nce4+ Kf5 10.g4# 1-0>

Pretty silly. However, I should point out that the diagrammed position was actually reached in a sub-variation given in the first edition of ECO covering the Gruenfeld--and the compiler completely missed the obvious sacrifice!

We short chess players may not be as silly as you think.

Dec-07-19  gambitfan: I have just put this game in my collection DUBIOUS GAMES.

6 ... Bxf2+ is silly and 7 Kf1 even more silly.

Who are D Davis and Frederic Whitacre ?

Perfect nobodies both of them.

This game should not belong to the chessgames data bank.

At least one of the players should be a strong player.

Dec-07-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <gambitfan...At least one of the players should be a strong player.>

A prerequisite which, if enforced, would eliminate most of my 74 games which are in this DB, mais certainement.

Jan-07-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <Roger Whitacre>
Jan-07-21  Z4all: Hey, wait a minute, you of all people... source?!
Jan-07-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: Ummm....it’s a pun.
Jan-07-21  Z4all: Is that supposed to be obvious?
Jan-07-21
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  perfidious: I stand by my post of thirteen months ago. (laughs)
Jan-07-21  optimal play: <perfidious: <gambitfan...At least one of the players should be a strong player.> A prerequisite which, if enforced, would eliminate most of my 74 games which are in this DB, mais certainement.>

Wouldn't that eliminate *all* of your games, but certainly?

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