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Vladimir Malaniuk vs Paul van der Sterren
Baku (1983), Baku AZE, Nov-??
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Modern Bishop's Opening (C55)  ·  1-0



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May-19-20  TheaN: I saw the otherwise wonderful escape 28....Rxd5 29.Qf6?! (still winning) Rd1+ 30.Kh2 Rh1+?! 31.Kxh1 Qc6+, except that <now> I realize this isn't an escape at all due to 32.Ne4! (Qxc6 <still> wins after 33....Bxc6+ 34.Ne4 f5 35.Re6 ±) Qxf6 33.Nxf6+ +- and well... yeah. Black's busted.
May-19-20  Nullifidian: The first day I remember to come back and do the daily chess puzzle here, Chessgames screws it up by showing the wrong diagram. It seems obvious that we were meant to find WHITE'S winning 28th move, removing the defender of the f6 square.

I spent ten minutes trying to figure out a win or obvious draw for black in the circumstances, but black is hopelessly lost.

May-19-20  jith1207: I think <CG> needs to correct this during the day when it happens.

So that only the early birds get the fool's worm.

May-19-20  mel gibson: Wow - I was looking for a way for Black to win
but Black is in a bad situation.

Stockfish 11 says:

28... Rxe8

(28. .. Rxd5 (♖d8xd5 ♖e8xf8+ ♔g8xf8
♕f3xd5 ♗b5-a6 ♘g3-e4 ♗a6-b7 ♕d5-d3 ♗b7xe4 ♕d3xe4 a7-a5 ♕e4-d5 ♔f8-e8 ♗b2-g7 ♕c7-e7 ♕d5-c6+ ♕e7-d7 ♕c6xc5 ♕d7-e6 ♕c5-b5+ ♔e8-e7 ♗g7xh6 f7-f5 ♕b5xa5 f5xg4 ♕a5-b4+ ♔e7-e8 h3xg4 ♔e8-d7 ♕b4-b5+ ♔d7-e7 ♗h6-g5+ ♔e7-d6 ♗g5-f4+ ♔d6-e7 f2-f3 ♔e7-f6 ♔g1-g2 ♔f6-f7 b3-b4 ♔f7-f6 ♗f4-g5+ ♔f6-g7 ♕b5-b7+ ♔g7-f8 ♗g5-h6+ ♔f8-e8 b4-b5 ♕e6-e2+ ♔g2-h3 ♕e2-e6 ♕b7-c6+ ♕e6xc6 b5xc6) -7.41/34 91

score for Black -7.4 depth 34

May-19-20  Damenlaeuferbauer: <Chessgames> What the f... is that? I spent 15 minutes of my life and thought, I am unable to solve an "easy" (not "insane") Tuesday puzzle, which leads to a win or draw for black, and finally found out, that it is white to move and win after 27.-,Ne8 or 28.-,Rxe8. Very bad job indeed, CG!
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  PawnSac: < FSR: I see that I'm not the only one puzzled by this puzzle. >

yea CG threw us a curve. It's usually play and win. This was black to play and lose! lol

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  Predrag3141: <Damenlaeuferbauer> Worth every penny?
May-19-20  gawain: My outstanding achievement today is that I wasted a little less time than some other people before suspecting that the puzzle was messed up.
May-19-20  vonKrolock:

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Black to play. What was White's last move?

(Not exactly a proper retro analysis problem, but the actual move is the best guess - unguard f6 and g7 etc)

May-19-20  little ernie: Paul van der Sterren wrote one of my favorite opening books, Fundamental Chess Openings, which I happen to have on my desk now. I assume it was translated from Dutch, but it's much better written than most chess books.
May-19-20  Damenlaeuferbauer: <Predrag 3141> Excuse me, Sir, but I do not understand your question! What is worth every penny? Do you think, that your CG premium membership is worth every penny? Unfortunately, as a non-native speaker, I did not get the question.
May-19-20  SpamIAm: <TheaN>, thank you for pointing all of that out. Most of us missed all that- I thought I saw some sort of saving thing there, based on diagonal checks against the white king. Just goes to show you how even the most helpless position still has some tricks that the winning player must calculate. <OhioChessFan>, I am in total agreement. If I was black and had calculated the total helplessness of my position I would've smiled (smirked?) and quickly and confidently played a "computer move" (one to stretch out mate as long as possible)- 28...Qxg3+???! or 28...Rxe8 29.Qf6 Qxg3+???! just to see the temporarily startled look on white's face. Objectively, since everything else loses, that is IMO "the best move", albeit a psychological one. Although <TheaN>'s line is actually more of a logical, though ultimately still hopeless, attempt to save the game.
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  chrisowen: No terrible jokes life's like a cross between a washing machine and a cyclone safe breeze no?
May-19-20  awfulhangover: I found out black´s best response. After some minutes confusion I found 28.-resign
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  Everett: 28..Rxd5 praying for 29.Qxd5 Bxe8 =
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  Breunor: I also spent 20 minutes and said I resign, if there is a move for black I don’t see it. So I also resigned.
May-19-20  Stachys: I see most here see no hope for black. I'm new here, and not an expert, but signed up just because of the comments on this game. Perhaps someone can tell me why the following would not be good for black:

28...Rxd5 29. Qf6 Qxg3+ 30. fxg3 Rd1+

At this point, white either retreats the queen to protect the king, likely exchanging it for black's rook; or retreats the rook only to lose it and be checked again, or moves the king up to the second rank to avoid check. Having done the latter, black can also move to the second rank to check the king again, after which the white bishop is free for the taking, ending white's ambition to mate black's king.

Being a novice, I might have missed something. Obviously, this would involve the sacrifice of black's queen, but it seems it would permit black to stay in the game. The exchanges end with black having two bishops and five pawns, while white has four pawns and a queen--one point different.

May-19-20  RandomVisitor: After 14...g6 white has 15.Bd2 or 15.d5 and a good game:

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<53/70 1:13:07 +1.13 15.d5 Bd7 16.Be3> Bg7 17.Ng3 a6 18.Qe2 Nb7 19.c4 h5 20.Rab1 Rab8 21.Bd2 b4 22.a3 a5 23.a4 Qd8 24.Bg5 Qc7 25.Kh1 Nh7 26.Be3 Qd8 27.Kh2 Qe7 28.Rg1 Nf8 29.Qe1 Nh7 30.Qc1 Nd8 31.Qd2 Bc8 32.Rbe1 Ra8 33.Qd1 Ra7 34.Qc1 f6

May-19-20  zb2cr: Hi <Stachys>,

Your line is ingenious, but doesn't quite work After 31. Kg2, Rd2+; 32. Kf3, Rxb2; 33. Rxf8+, Kxf8; 34. Qh8+, Ke7; 35. Qxb2 White has Q+4P vs. B+5P. This is an advantage of 4 units, which is killing.

Beyond that, Black's about to lose at least one more Pawn. If 35. ... Kd6; 36. Qd2 and the h-Pawn drops. If 35. ... c4; 36. bxc4, Bxc4; 37. Qb7+ and the a-Pawn goes.

May-19-20  SpamIAm: <zb2cr> Better yet, 35...c4 36. bxc4 Bxc4 37.Qb4+ winning a whole bishop.
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  drollere: the best i can find is 27. .. Ne6. and it seems black is still lost.
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  drollere: <Stachys> after 28. .. Rxd5 29. Qf6 Qxg3+ 30. fxg3 Rd1(+) ... 31. Rxd1
May-21-20  jith1207: Great thought process, <Stachys>.

After ..Rd1+, If there would have been a way to make ..Rf1+ and take the Queen on f6, it would've helped fight in the game but the King escapes on f3 when the Black's rook is in second rank and not first rank, and there's no hope after that.

May-21-20  jith1207: <Stachys>'s line gave me this idea.

28...Rxd5 29. Qf6 Rd4

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White doesn't have any immediate win. It's a tough fight after 30.Bxd4 and not everyone can get through in flying colors here. Black also doesn't have to sacrifice it's Queen on g3 and that helps keep the fight in the game.

Goes to show what one can achieve even in seemingly impossible positions!

And in wrong puzzle positions!!

May-21-20  jith1207: Well, for one thing, the wrong puzzle position has made <ChrisOwen> write coherent English sentences.

More Wrong Puzzle Positions, please!

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