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Paul Morphy vs Alonzo Morphy
"Bring Your Kid to Work Day" (game of the day Sep-03-2010)
New Orleans (1849), New Orleans, LA USA
Italian Game: Evans Gambit. Accepted (C51)  ·  1-0



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Jun-23-12  e4 resigns: Phorqt VS Nimh

Okay, Fischer wasn't Chuck Norris, just saying.
He did say the King's Gambit was refuted, but that was most likely based on emotions, rather than actual lines (he lost a game to it right before he published the paper).

Personally, I think Morphy could stand his own against 2650+ players, and Euwe, maybe Petrosian, probably not Kasparov, but he's in the top 5.

Jun-23-12  nimh: Do you claim that Morphy's quality of play, save the opening phase, would be sufficient for 2650 TPR today? Or does it mean that if Morphy made a decision to play as safe as possible, he'd be unbeatable for players rated 2650 and below?

I must disagree, based on computer analysis. But for the relief of Morphy-hypers the extent of practical play and time controls are still undetermined factors. If anyone can prove that he only took 10-15 minutes on average to complete games, I think then I'd accept the claim that Morphy played better than an average GM today.

Also, I'd like to know why 2650 and not 2600 or 2700 for example? What's the basis for your opinion?

Jun-23-12  AVRO38: Playing over Morphy's games you get the impression that he could put any piece on any square and never suffer any consequences.

He was absolutely amazing!

Jun-24-12  e4 resigns: Nimh: I think 2700 might be too high, and 2600 too low. Maybe I should have said 2600-2700.

I think I read somewhere that Morphy played quickly, and could pull off tactical beauties in a blink. I'm probably wrong, though.

The thing about Morphy is that he was brilliant, and he didn't need to work hard at it, unlike a lot of today's GMs. There was also a difference in play, back then most games were played for sacs and brilliancy prizes. Morphy probably wasn't looking for the best move, but most beautiful.

Nov-20-12  marljivi: Has anybody pointed out yet,that white was totally lost in this game,or am I missing something? After the pretty much simple 29...Kg8 black is simply 2 rooks up.Also,instead of 27...Qc3 there was another way of "defending"-27...Qc7,covering f7 square thus preparing Rh8 as an answer to breakthrough g4-g5 and "taking a look" at f4 and g3 squares,for example 28.g5Rh8 ,or 28.h4Qg3 ,or 28.Kg2Qf4 . But of course,Paul Charles Morphy was a genious,no doubt about it.
Nov-20-12  Shams: <marljivi> See <Honza Cervenka>'s line on Page 1 of kibitzing.
Jun-17-14  BobbyDigital80: 21...Qg6!! gives black a clear advantage! 22.Bxg6 fxg6 23.Qg4 Bxd4 24.Red1 Bxa1 25.Rxa1 Rf5. Black has a rook, knight, and two pawns for the queen, and all his pieces and center pawns are active.
Jun-22-15  lalla: Any ordinary students can solve the problems of simple pendulum.Kids know the law gravitation. Does that mean they are smarter than Galileo or Newton? That does not even mean that Galileo and Newton were ordinary people. If Newton were to be born again, he would still be the great Newton. I agree that if Morphy were to be born again, he would dominate chess. Imagine computer analysis and chess books supplementing his natural talent. He would make Carlsen appear ordinary.
Jan-28-16  juanhernandez: some of them are true friends
May-21-16  talhal20: Ialla, you are right.
May-21-16  1971: I totally agree Lalla. If there was no Carlsen we wouldn't know there's a much higher level than the worlds top players.
May-21-16  1971: This kind of play shouldn't be possible. It's like watching Steph Curry play basketball.
Sep-16-16  mburch1974: To the people who don't have it, talent has an ethereal-mystical quality.

A birth-right one can never learn or aspire too.

To those bestowed its apparent grandeur there's a simpler explanation...

it's just called hard work and motivation.

Try it sometime guys and stop shorting your own potential.

Sep-16-16  Isilimela: Wonder how this 12 year old would get on in today's W u/12 events ?!
Oct-10-16  darth wager: I admire Morphy; not just for his chess. But because he was a gentleman in every sense of the word. I think hes very underrated. Sure his competition was inferior, but I still think he would be ~2800 easy in today's climate.
Oct-10-16  spingo: <raydot: You guys are hilarious. I'm sorry I missed this the first time around. As much is it's total "Who would win: Superman or Batman?" bs it's a great debate!>

This kibitz was turned into a major motion picture.

Feb-17-17  greenpawn43: Hi, folks!

I annotated the game and commented on it:

If you should have any input, please don't hesitate to let me know.

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  WorstPlayerEver: <greenpawn43>

Nice try but 12... Bf5 is actually a little stronker than 12... de5 or 12... h6 (engine suggestions).

14... Be4 15. Be4 Rc8 would have given Black the advantage.

Sep-11-17  talhal20: All kibitzers taken together do not make a Fischer.
Sep-11-17  Arconax: Interesting..
Feb-19-19  Linleteaim: 22.Qg4..if
..... Kf6
How happen?
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  beatgiant: <Linleteaim>
Use the "Jump to page #" button to go to page 1 of the earlier kibitzing. There, you will find a post from <Dec-24-04> by <Dionyseus> analyzing <22...Kf6> and claiming that Black wins.
Apr-28-21  paulmorphy1969: I read so many stupid comments if Morphy would play today he wouldn't be able to play etc, a kid of today has more information than Fisher could collect in his entire life. The improvements are due to the predecessors, the real question is not if Morphy playing today what would he be able to do? but .... if a Grand Master of now go back to 1800 with no knowledge of theory books etc. what would he be able to do?
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  perfidious: <paulmorphy1969: I read so many stupid comments if Morphy would play today he wouldn't be able to play etc....>

No less a player than Botvinnik wrote that no major improvement in handling of the open games has taken place since Morphy's day, an extraordinary tribute in view of the way chess has been researched.

<....a kid of today has more information than Fisher could collect in his entire life....>

Fischer and any other dozen players--it is no longer enough to have all the software money can buy--an awareness of how to utilise it is of inestimable value.

<....The improvements are due to the predecessors, the real question is not if Morphy playing today what would he be able to do? but .... if a Grand Master of now go back to 1800 with no knowledge of theory books etc. what would he be able to do?>

An irresoluble question, though this topic has been hotly debated here at CG.

May-01-21  paulmorphy1969: Some members are aware of the exact date I have not found references in the various books on Morphy, Sergeant end maroczy only indicate Springs 1849.If you have information, please mention the sources. Thank you
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