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Paul Morphy vs Alonzo Morphy
New Orleans (1849), New Orleans, LA USA
Italian Game: Evans Gambit. Accepted (C51)  ·  1-0



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Oct-15-04  square dance: <badtemper> it is possible that morphy went for the more pleasing mate, instead of the obvious win.
Jan-25-05  seelyons: 17.Rb1 Qa6 18.Rxe7 Kf8 19.Qd5 Qc4 20.Rxf7 Kg8 21.Rf8# that is how the real game went this game shown is wrong.. probally makes sense now and a very nice game.
Jan-25-05  seelyons: how could you people even think that black played Qf5 on 17 that is ridiculous.. discovered check and he loses his queen... obviously the game is wrong..
Jan-25-05  seelyons: and master your a liar this isnt the actual game.. only an idiot would think so really.. Qf5 on move 17???? real game move huh... loses the queen and makes morphy's next queen move look even dumber.. obviously its not right. good luck with ur make believe book
Jan-25-05  seelyons: i found a site with the actual game. has the game and other real nice ones.
Jan-25-05  hartkoka: testing (Q)
Jan-25-05  hartkoka: [Q] (Q) <Q>
hi, can you tell me in keyboard which type of bracket to use for Queen symbol?

oh, ok i know it now, thanks a lot :)

Apr-11-05  Zaius: What is the purpose of 17.♖b1? I really don't understand why it would be better than 17.♖xe7.

17.♖b1 invites 17...♕d7 which somewhat defuses the situation (although leaving black at a disadvantage - one not as considerable as it would have been had white played 17.♖xe7, I believe)

Apr-11-05  Zaius: 19.♕d5?? Even ignoring the fact that 19.♖e5+ wins a queen straight up, 19.♕d5 asks for a queen exchange to completely stall white's attack and put him down in material.
Apr-11-05  crucify: wow people on this site are dumb if they think from move 17 on actually happened.
Apr-11-05  crucify: seelyons seems to be the only person with a brain looking at these games and he is correct. seelyons showed how the game actually went..
Apr-11-05  crucify: well 17 for black had to be Qa6 it is forced.. seelyons is right
Apr-11-05  crucify: zaius did you read seelyons comments?
the real game is on and you can see why Rxe7 is not playable smarty.
Apr-11-05  InspiredByMorphy: <BeautyInChess> Thanks for the analysis. 19. ...Qxd5 20.Rd5+ Qd6 wins. Of course we must give credit where credit is due. Paul Morphy played a good game up until this point and he was only 12 years old.

<PinkPanther> <Fritz 4.0 hahahaha> Did you even bother to read the analysis provided? If you did you would see that it is correct.

Apr-11-05  Zaius: <crucify: you can see why Rxe7 is not playable smarty.>

Not playable? You must be joking... Regardless of which game is real, 17.♖xe7+ in this game is more than playable.

Analysis by Deep Fritz 8:

Depth 14/52

1. (9.89): 17.♖xe7+ ♔f8 18.♘e5 ♗xf2+ 19.♔h1 ♕xe5 20.♖xe5+ ♔g8 21.♖xa5 h6 22.♖f5 ♗b6 23.♕d7

2. (7.52): 17.♗xe7 ♕d7 18.♗h4+ ♕e6 19.♕a4+ ♘c6 20.♘g5 0-0 21.♖xe6 h6 22.♖xc6 hxg5

3. (2.90): 17.♖b1 ♕d7 18.♖xe7+

Apr-12-05  SBC: .

Philip W. Sergeant gives:

[Event "casual game"]
[Site "New Orleans"]
[Date "1849.??.??"]
[White "Morphy, Paul"]
[Black "Morphy, Alonzo"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C51"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Bc5 6. d4 exd4 7. cxd4 Bb6 8. O-O Na5 9. Bd3 d5 10. exd5 Qxd5 11. Ba3 Be6 12. Nc3 Qd7 13. d5 Bxd5 14. Nxd5 Qxd5 15. Bb5+ Qxb5 16. Re1+ Ne7 17. Rb1 Qa6 18. Rxe7+ Kf8 19. Qd5 Qc4 20. Rxf7+ Kg8 21. Rf8#

Paul Morphy was 12 years old and arguably already the world's strongest player. Judge Morphy wasn't as strong as Ernest Morphy.

Apr-14-05  SBC: <>

The score on this game, as demonstated below, is wrong. It's nonesensical as it stands and contrary to the one Sergeant gives in Morphy's Games of Chess (listed below).

Also the game, Blackburne vs Lowenthal, 1898 , must also be incorrect either in it's date or in one (or both) of the opponents since Lowenthal died in 1876.

Jan-10-06  morpstau: Why not 7...bb4+??? this move in my opinion equalizes for black and leaves white dumbstruck and with little compensation for the pawn! Alonzo this is your son not chessmaster 10,000. Morphy tears his father up like a whimpering rag doll in this battle! Just a shame, but goes to show What a genious in Morphy we would never know.
Jan-14-06  morpstau: Killer attack
Mar-21-07  Rubenus: <chesslayer> I play on RHP as Anakin Skywalker.
May-24-07  brainchild: I just love morphys games. The man was a real genius.
Nov-03-07  D4n: This is one of the best end games I've seen. There is nothing like a double check, that turns out to be ++.
Jan-21-08  JimmyVermeer: Judging by the conversations on here, it seems that the game was previously recorded incorrectly but has since been fixed.

Master of Sacrifice, which book are you using? I have Sergeant's book, which gives White's 17th move as Rb1 and Black's 17th move as ♕a6 (not ♕a3 as AdrianP says), which is in agreement with what SBC and seelyons have posted.

crucify, just because people were given bad information doesn't make them dumb. By the way, you are incorrect to say that ♕a6 was forced on Black's 17th move. There are a number of better moves: 0-0, ♗c5, ♗d4, ♗e3, ♗xf2+, c5, c6, g6, h6, ♔f8, ♘b3, ♘c4, ♘c6, ♕c4, ♕c5, ♕c6, ♕d7, ♕e2, ♕e5 (as previously recorded), ♕f1+, ♕f5, ♕g5, ♕h5, and ♕xb1. ♕a6 gives White a forced mate in 6.

Oct-07-09  joeleflores: After 15. Qxb5, the game is already a lost cause for black.
Oct-12-09  tentsewang: As you can see that even though the black's pieces are ready to take off the attackers, Morphy displayed an amazing finish with a double checkmate.
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