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Paul Morphy vs Paul Capdevielle
Blindfold simul, 4b (1864) (blindfold), New Orleans, LA USA, May-??
Italian Game: Evans Gambit. Accepted (C51)  ·  1-0



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Dec-01-04  drukenknight: ??? What is wrong w/: 21...Bc3?
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  Chessical: <drukenknight> Your idea of <21...Bc3> does not seem to work due to Black's back rank weakness:

22.Re8 Bxd2 23.h4 (preventing the B retreat to answer the Q check on g4) 23...Rf7 24.Rxc8 Rxc8 25.Qg4+ Kh6 26.Qxc8 with a winning position.

Dec-01-04  drukenknight: how is it winning? it continues:

27. Qg8 Rd7
28. Qf8+ Kg6
29. Qe8+ Rf7
30. Qxc6 Bb4
31. Qb5

this is better than what was played.

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  Chessical: <drukenknight> One particularly venomous plan is:

<21...Bc3> 22.Re8 Bxd2 23.h4 Rf7 24.Rxc8 Rxc8 25.Qg4+ Kh6 26.Qxc8 b6 27.Qg8 Rd7 28.Qf8+ Rg7 29.g4!

Dec-01-04  drukenknight: I think we are on the same line up to black's 28th where you want to interpose the R.
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  beatgiant: On 21...♗c3 22. ♖e8 ♗xd2 , why doesn't 23. ♖xc8 win immediately?
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  beatgiant: <On 21...Bc3 22. Re8 Rxd2 , why doesn't 23. Rxc8 win immediately?> Oh I see, Black would play 23...♖e7 24. ♕g4+ ♗g5 which was probably <Chessical>'s point.

But 21...♗c3 22. ♕g4+ ♔f8 23. ♕e6 ♖f7 24. ♕e8+ ♔g7 25. ♖e7 ♖xe7 26. ♕xe7+ looks strong.

Dec-02-04  drukenknight: b.g.: SHOW ME YOUR WINNING LINE after:

22. Qg4+ Kf8
23. Qe6 Bxd4
24. Qe8+ Kg7
25. Re7+ Rxe7
26. Qxe7+ Kh6

Dec-02-04  Ziggurat: <drukenknight>: A suggestion for a winning line

27. Nf3 Bb2 (or Ba1; otherwise he loses the f6 pawn. Bc3 loses the bishop to a fork)

28. Qf8+ Kg6 (Kh5 leads to mate by force.)

29. Nh4+ Kh5 (Kg5 loses even faster.)

30. g3

White's plan is now Qg7, Qxh7, Qg6 mate. Black cannot do anything meaningful about it. If Black tries 30. - f5, 31. Qe7! leads to mate by force (plan f4, Qg5 mate).

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  beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
I never claimed I have a winning line, only that it looked strong. Moreover, I didn't consider your 23...♗xd4 .

Against this defense 21...♗c3 22. ♕g4+ ♔f8 23. ♕e6 ♗xd4 , white would probably play 24. ♕e8+ ♔g7 25. ♖e4 with a strong attack.

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  beatgiant: <Ziggurat>:
Looks like you posted at the same time as me. Your line looks pretty convincing, thanks.
Dec-02-04  drukenknight: Well hold on! Ziggurat has a good pt. That line seems to lead to Q vs 2 B, maybe not a win, but very difficult for black. As I go back and look at this why did I take that pawn? I violate my own theory!

Lets go back and try this: 23...Rf7 Is this better?
Entire line now looks:

22. Qg4+ Kf8
23. Qe6 Rf7

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  beatgiant: <Q vs 2 B, maybe not a win> It's almost always a win with so many pawns left on the board.

<Lets go back and try this: 23...Rf7 Is this better?> That was the defense I gave in my earlier post, please read. It goes on to move 26.

In any case, White is strong against this defense too, for example 21...♗c3 22. ♕g4+ ♔f8 23. ♕e6 ♖f7 24. ♕e8+ ♔g7 25. ♖e7 ♖xe7 26. ♕xe7+ ♔g6 27. ♕e8+ ♔g7 28. ♘e4 ♗xd4 29. ♘g3 threatens 30. ♘f5+ winning material.

Apr-19-09  heuristic: mo' better moves:
10.d5 Ne7 11.Qb3 Bc5 12.d6 cxd6

12.Na3 Bc3 13.Nb5 Ba5 14.d5 0-0

18...Kg6 19.Nxd8 Rxd8 20.Qb3 Bf5 21.Nd2

20...Be6 21.Rxe6 Rd7 22.Kf1 Rad8 23.Nd2

21.Re8 Rf7 22.Nd2 Bxd4 23.Nf3 Bf5

22.Re8 a6 23.Nf3 Bf5 24.Rxa8 Bg6

Dec-17-10  hawksie: Morphy is fun.
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  tamar: 'You can set my truck on fire
And roll it down a hill,
And I still wouldn't trade it for P Capdevielle '
Dec-18-10  Calli: .....
as I was motorvatin' over the hill
saw Maybelline with P Capdevielle
Why can't you be true?

[pardon my French - vielle is pronounced closer to vee-eh, but this is chessgames after all]

Sep-12-18  Jack Kerouac: Uh..Guys..It 'Coupe de Ville'. As in Cadillac car.
Feb-06-21  paulmorphy1969: Published in the New Orleans Sunday Star newspaper on 3 Dec 1865 Link: http: // A = 1 & source = New_Orleans_Sunday_Star & date = 1865.12.03 in the header you have a game played blindly in New Orleans and in the notes of the game you can clearly read the game played simultaneously together with 3 others
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  MissScarlett: I assume then the game was played in 1865, but it would be nice to know if 1864 appears in any printed collection of Morphy's games.

A <Paul Capdeveille> is listed in the <Daily Picayune> (New Orleans) of April 7th 1868, p.4, amongst a group of new graduates of the law department of the University of Louisiana.

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  fredthebear: Turn it up!

<tamar: 'You can set my truck on fire And roll it down a hill,
And I still wouldn't trade it for P Capdevielle '>

* <"there's something women like about a Pickup Bear...">

We lost country music star Joe Diffie to COVID-19 early on last year. He was 61 years old. Legend has it that they propped him up beside the jukebox when he died.

Jul-19-21  paulmorphy1969: David Lawson published "Unknown Morphy Games" of the unpublished games of Morphy excluded from his famous book, in the British Chess Magazine in August 1978 and September 1979. This is one of the game games N ? 21 pag.359 August 1978 ,. it is dated May 1864 and gives her as one of 10 simultaneous blind opponents,probably wrong. Morphy's only performance in a simultaneous out of 10 known chess sets is described in the book by Caplablanca- Chess History on page 18 reads: so far, we've only had a blind game. This was at Charles Serrano's home.We witness a ten match blind performance at the same gentleman's home the following Tuesday October 28, 1862.What causes the greatest wonder here is that Morphy can arrange the conversation with a group of ladies and gentlemen as he plays his game.Link: Unfortunately the exhibition was private and nothing was leaked except what eyewitnesses said, and there is no evidence that Capdeville was in Cuba in 1862.So the main source still remains the New Orleans Sunday Star newspaper on Dec 3, 1865 Then played in New Orleans in May 1864 one of the opponents during the simultaneous blind against 4 players.
Jul-19-21  paulmorphy1969: On page 285 of his book Lawson writes that the New Orleans Sunday Star newspaper was the first to publish 3 games of Morphy, two with Maurian and the third with Capdeville, and reveals that when Morphy arrived in New Orleans in May he held a blind-on-4 simultaneous. opponents.
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  MissScarlett: < the header you have a game played blindly in New Orleans and in the notes of the game you can clearly read the game played simultaneously together with 3 others>

But not so clearly, at least, in Chess Archaeology's reproduction, is the date of May 1864. Maybe Lawson's copy was a lot clearer, but he should have made his own text reflect that, by specifying May 1864.

<On page 285 of his book Lawson writes that the New Orleans Sunday Star newspaper was the first to publish 3 games of Morphy, two with Maurian and the third with Capdeville>

The other two games are NN vs Morphy, 1865 (issue of 1866.01.07) and Morphy vs Maurian, 1858 (issue of 1866.01.21). Lawson also says that two of the three games were (in 1976) unknown to the chess world. But how does he know that both of the odds games were against Maurian? Was Morphy vs Maurian, 1858 already established as a Maurian game?

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  fredthebear: Black usually spells it Coupe Deville:

Otherwise, the historical research is impressive <pm1969> and <MS>!

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