| Jul-24-03 | | ksadler: <Ron> Here's another one for your queen-sacs file! |
|
| Dec-15-04 | | thesonicvision: why can't black play Nxd4? |
|
Dec-15-04
 | | beenthere240: this way of handling the vienna gambit (Bxg1 followed by Q-h4+) is a pretty good way to lose in a spectacular fashion. |
|
| Feb-04-05 | | thesonicvision: please...this is hurting my head.
starting from move 10, black
resists capturing d4. |
|
| Apr-06-05 | | chess man: Enjoyable game. |
|
| Jan-01-06 | | itz2000: Great GAME |
|
| May-28-06 | | sneaky pete: <thesonicvision> Does your head still hurt? Haven't you wondered why after 15... Na5 16.Qxa8 .. is not played? More headaches. The game stems from a handwritten manuscript kept by a Viennese chess amateur that turned up in 1923. Bachmann published the early (1859/1860) Steinitz games from this manuscript in the second edition of the first volume of his Schachmeister Steinitz. The present game is given with the moves 2... Sb8-c6 and 15... Sb8-a6!
For use in this database this last - impossible - move is presented as .. Nc6-a5, but black actually played the unconventional move 2... c6 (misread as .. Nc6 by Bachmann) and 15... Na6, so .. Nxd4 was never a possiblity. |
|
| Jan-05-12 | | thomastonk: Is the author's name of the manuscript known? And what happend to that ms? |
|
| Jan-05-12 | | sneaky pete: <thomastonk> The author was the Viennese player Joseph Rumler. The manuscript was later part of the collection of Dr. Joseph Lerch from Friedland (Germany), who died in 1923 and donated his chess library to the "Deutsche Schachverband in der Tschecho-Slowakei" (German Chess Federation in Chechoslovakia). I don't know what happened with that "Schachverband" and the manuscript during and after the Second World War. |
|
| Jan-06-12 | | thomastonk: <sneaky pete> Thank you for the very interesting reply. I know a man named Rümmler, who was 1859/60 secretary and archivist of the Wiener Schachgesellschaft, and probably this is the same man. Some games of the tournament have been published in 1860, but with incomplete names. I try to find out the name of one player, whose name is given as Oberst W***r (Colonel W***r). The only player's name in Vienna fitting to this pattern I know is Weinbrenner, who played there at least from 1855 to 1869. But I don't know whether he was a Oberst/Colonel, and hence there remain some doubts. Do you know something about this name? |
|
| Dec-31-13 | | RedShield: <Old Lang Resigns> |
|
Mar-08-15
 | | sachistu: <sneaky pete> Deutsches Wochenschach, 1925,p18 has the correct score (using the moves you pointed out) e.g ...c6 and later ...Na6. Has someone initiated a correction slip? |
|
May-25-17
 | | mifralu: < thomastonk: Is the author's name of the manuscript known? And what happend to that ms?>
See ==> http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... |
|
| Jan-01-19 | | andrewjsacks: Perfect pun for tonight. Well done, CG. |
|
Jan-01-19
 | | piltdown man: A timely pun, and a beautiful game by the first champ. |
|
| Jan-01-19 | | morfishine: <piltdown man> Sorry, this is not a "beautiful" game by any means Lang sucks and thats the end of this story
And btw, just who the heck is this Lang? Looks like another NN type player ***** |
|
Jan-01-19
 | | Honza Cervenka: The gamescore is incorrect here as <sneaky pete> suggested long time ago. Correct gamescore is [Event "Vienna"]
[Site "Vienna"]
[Date "1860.03.26"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Wilhelm Steinitz"]
[Black "Lang"]
[ECO "C25"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "57"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 c6 3.f4 Bc5 4.fxe5 Bxg1 5.Rxg1 Qh4+ 6.g3 Qxh2
7.Rg2 Qh6 8.d4 Qg6 9.Bf4 Nh6 10.Bd3 b5 11.Qf3 O-O 12.O-O-O f6
13.exf6 Qxf6 14.e5 Qe6 15.Rh1 Na6 16.Qe4 Nf5 17.g4 d5 18.Qxf5
Rxf5 19.gxf5 Qf7 20.e6 Bxe6 21.Be5 g6 22.fxg6 Qf3 23.gxh7+ Kf8
24.h8=Q+ Ke7 25.Rg7+ Bf7 26.Rxf7+ Kxf7 27.Qg7+ Ke6 28.Rh6+ Qf6
29.Rxf6# 1-0 |
|
Jan-01-19
 | | MSteen: Starting with 6. . . Qxh2, I would have panicked. Steinitz just calmly continued developing and castled queenside. Lang may have been a poor player, but Steinitz was brilliant here. |
|
| Jan-01-19 | | thegoodanarchist: Wouldn't it be ironic to learn that Lang was only 19 when this was played? |
|
| Jan-01-19 | | thegoodanarchist: I should prefer 12...a5 for Black, but White's position in the center already gives him the upper hand in this game. Perhaps it is already a decisive advantage. |
|
| Jan-01-19 | | Andrew Chapman: < thesonicvision: please...this is hurting my head.
starting from move 10, black
resists capturing d4.>10..Nxd4 looks best, breaking up White's very dangerous looking pawn centre. The engine agrees. |
|
| Jan-01-19 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4 d 23 dpa
<1. = (0.11): 4...d6> 5.exd6 Qxd6 6.Nf3 Nf6 7.d3 Bg4 8.Be2 0-0-0 9.Bg5 h6 10.Bh4 Kb8 11.Qd2 Qe6 12.Rf1 Bxf3 13.Rxf3 Be7 14.Bf2 Ng4 15.Nd5 Nxf2 16.Rxf2 Bc5 17.Rf1 Nd4 2. + / = (0.67): 4...Bxg1 5.Rxg1 d6 6.exd6 Qxd6 7.d4 Qxh2 8.Be3 Nf6 9.Be2 Ng4 10.Bxg4 Qg3+ 11.Bf2 Qxg4 12.Qf3 0-0 13.0-0-0 Re8 14.Kb1 Bd7 15.Bg3 Rac8 16.Rge1 Qxf3 17.gxf3 Ne7 18.b3 b5 19.Ne2 f5 20.d5 fxe4 21.fxe4 Bg4 22.Bf2 Ng6 |
|
Oct-29-22
 | | kingscrusher: I think the name of the opponent is Max Lange :
Max Lange It seems an ICC video at: https://www.chessclub.com/videos/al... indicates this was a match between Steinitz and Max Lange which is also suggested by :
Lang Where Lang has only 3 games but all against Steinitz |
|
Kibitzing
sac: 18.Qxf5