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| Sep-15-04 | | uzeromay: ksadler, while I'm not sure sacrificing your king's knight, a la Muzio, is the best idea it is thought that Vienna Game transpositions to King's Gambits are pretty good for white. |
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| Jul-09-05 | | Knight13: 17. Rxh6!! GREAT MOVE! |
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| Sep-11-06 | | FHBradley: What a sad end to the career of a truly great player. Which brings me to my question. A few years ago there were news going around about a forthcoming biography of Zukertort (translation from a Polish original). Has anything come out of that? |
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| Sep-22-06 | | Tenderfoot: 15...Ngh6 was quite a mistake, but Zuckertort probably should have cut his losses and not accepted the sacrifice. |
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| Sep-25-06 | | Achilles87: what does everyone think about
...5 Nd4+
6 Qxd4 f3+
7 Nxf3 Bg4+
doesn't look too bad for black |
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| Sep-25-06 | | kellmano: I think none of the black moves are check and he throws away a knight for nothing. |
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| Sep-26-06 | | Achilles87: eh, I got my numbers wrong
6 Ke2 Nd4+
7 Qxd4 f3+
8 Nxf3 Bg4+
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| Mar-07-07 | | Themofro: Why didn't Zukertort castle queenside? |
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| Jun-10-07 | | mrinventory: Why did Zukertort play <12... Nf5> and let Steinitz's knight out? |
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| Jun-10-07 | | RookFile: Steinitz's 12. Bd3 was a good move. It sets up the threat: Rh4! winning the knight on d4. He couldn't immediately play 12. Rh4 because ...Nxc2 is good for black. In reply to 12. Bd3, Zukertort needed to play something like the ugly 12....Kf8. |
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| Jun-27-08 | | Pjalle: what a strange game. |
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| Jul-27-08 | | JimmyVermeer: The best ending to this game that I could find seems to be: 19 Nxg4 Rg8 20 Nfe5 Bf5 21 Bxf5 Rg7 22 Qc3 c5 23 Rf1 Ke8 24 Nc6 Rc8 25 Bxc8 Rf7 26 Rxf7 Kxf7 27 Be6+ Ke8 28 Qh8+ Bf8 29 Nf6# although there could be better endings - I haven't checked them all out. In answer to Achilles87, the suggested line looks very bad for Black. The 8th move isn't actually check; it's just a pin. 6 Ke2 Nxd4+? 7 Qxd4 f3+? 8 Nxf3 Bg4? 9 Kd2! Qh6+ 10 Ke1 Qh5 11 Bb5+ Kd8 12 Ne5, etc. giving White a clear advantage. |
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Apr-04-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Zukertort> was exhausted in this game and visibly ill at the board.
The game only took about 30 minutes to play.
--Landsberger p.166 |
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Apr-06-10
| | jessicafischerqueen: This game was the debut of the "Steinitz Gambit" in the Vienna game. He had been eager to try out the idea, but didn't want to use the novelty until "the games had reached such a stage that my backers could not lose anything." --Landsberger p.180 |
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Jul-04-10
 | | Check It Out: Nice quotes, <jfq>. Steinitz's match strategy has been echoed in future WC matches, e.g. small improvements in repeated opening, and then wham, a closed Ruy Lopez. Opponent is weak, then bam, another unexpected opening, the Vienna Gambit. |
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| Oct-24-10 | | talisman: <jess> thanks jess. |
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Jun-10-11
 | | Honza Cervenka: <jessicafischerqueen: This game was the debut of the "Steinitz Gambit" in the Vienna game.> No, it was not. Steinitz had played it many times before this game. The debut (at least on top level) of this gambit was probably his game against Gustav Neumann, Dundee 1867, and Steinitz used it regularly since Baden 1870. |
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| Jun-11-11 | | Everyone: <Achilles87: what does everyone think about ...6 Ke2 Nd4+ 7 Qxd4 f3+ 8 Nxf3 Bg4> After <9.Ne4/9.Kd2/9.Be3> Black's position is a complete mess. |
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May-21-12
 | | ray keene: Zuk just lost the record for fastest loss in a world chess championship match |
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Oct-26-13
 | | Chessical: THE CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP. (Through Reuter's Agency.) NEW ORLEANS, March 29. The Chess Match between Dr. Zukertort and Mr. Steinitz for the championship of the world and <$4,000> was concluded to-day. Mr. Steinitz secured the twentieth game, and thus won the match, this being the tenth game placed to his credit. London Standard - Tuesday 30 March 1886
The prize would be worth approximately <$101,000> in 2012 dollars (based on the Consumer Price Index increases between 1886 and 2012). |
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| May-21-18 | | rcs784: "Zuk just lost the record for fastest loss in a world championship match" What's really funny too about this game and the 17-move Anand-Gelfand 2012 that broke this record is that both Zukertort and Gelfand lost these games by blundering their queens! |
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| Apr-15-20 | | joddon: Zukertort must have had a heart attack mid way through this tournament...he played beautifully in first 5-6 games....then it wasn't that Steinitz thought up of beautiful combos....it was cus Zukertort looks like he couldn't see while he was playing!!! QUITE SCARY IF U ASK ME. |
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| Jan-13-22 | | DarthStapler: If you don't count Fischer's forfeit in game 2 against Spassky and the Kramnik-Topalov bathroom incident, and don't include the FIDE World Championship tournaments, this game had the record as the shortest decisive World Championship game for 126 years. |
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Aug-23-22
| | Chessical: Steinitz had already lost two tournament games with this line after <...Bd6>
click for larger viewSteinitz vs Englisch, 1883 and
Steinitz vs Chigorin, 1883 both were played at London (1883), a tournament in which Zukertort had come first! |
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Oct-12-22
 | | kingscrusher: One the quickest and funniest world chess championship games ever :) |
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sac: 17.Rxh6