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Jacques Mieses vs Miklos Brody
16th DSB Congress, Duesseldorf (1908), Duesseldorf GER, rd 1, Aug-03
Bishop's Opening: Vienna Hybrid (C28)  ·  1-0



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Apr-11-05  brainzugzwang: <kevin86> Scroll up and read crafty's analysis (which, unbelievably, I actually worked out on my own). White comes out a at least a whole queen up, as a queen check either forking or X-raying the loose Black rook is inevitable.
Apr-11-05  point: Nice Monday puzzle. I didn't see the underpromotion though. I guess I'm a little too quick to promote to a queen.
Apr-11-05  patzer2: I'm including today's puzzle solution 38. Rh8+ in my Passed Pawn collection. As part of this overall theme, some elementary tactics employed include Deflection (38. Rh8+) and Discovered Check (39. f7+), with the possibility of a Pin (39...Qg7 40. f8Q) or an Under Promotion and Knight Fork (39...Kh7 40. f8N+) being the decisive follwup.
Apr-11-05  mymt: anyone know how to say Mieses name?
Apr-11-05  sneaky pete: <mymt> Close enough is the way Mr.Jinx pronounced it: "I hate Mieses to pieces".
Apr-11-05  mymt: thanks sneaky pete so its "me sis" OK.
Apr-11-05  aw1988: I got this one, thankfully, after being terribly lazy on the last 2 Monday's. My original thought was "Hmm, Qf5 might work, but let's look for something more forcing..." and thus found Rh8+ f7+ and f8=N+.
Apr-11-05  EinZweiDrei: Monday puzzles keep my self-esteem alive. The obvious 39. ...Kh7 40. f8/N++ continuation is a textbook underpromotion mate. Very nice.
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  kevin86: <sneaky pete>Love the reference to that ol' cat-but irony of ironies-you spelled his name incorrectly,it's Mister Jinks. lol
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  LIFE Master AJ: <Everyone>

Actaully it depends where you are from.

Down the street, literally about four blocks away, lives an old fellow. ("86 years young," he like to say.)

Anywho, he was born in Germany. He insists you pronounce MIESES as "MAY-sez." And if you look in the ChessBase player database, you will see that some players are changing the spelling of their name - and thus the pronounciation - on an almost daily basis. (Try to find "Yusupov" in their database, you get ZERO results.)

Apr-14-05  maoam: <knightspot>

To the best of my knowledge:

Alekhine - Al-yek-een
Euwe - Urve
Korchnoi - Kortch-noy

Alekhine himself can be heard pronouncing his and Euwe's names in this BBC interview

Apr-14-05  maoam: Waaaa? It seems that post has now vanished :S
Apr-14-05  sneaky pete: From "Meister Mieses" by Helmuth Wieteck:
In New York a passer-by addresses the "Altmeister":
"Excuse me, are you Mister Maises?"
"No sir, I am Meister Mieses!"
Apr-14-05  Shams: <knightspot, maoam> and "keres" rhymes with "berries" if I remember the old rhyme correctly. :)
Apr-15-05  knightspot: thanks maoam - the post vanished on me (I'm not very good with MS Windows, I know the openings ok, but sometimes commit Terrible Blunders when it comes to the tactical component) and I didn't think it went out . . .

But I thought Keres rhymed with "perez" - that's how they pronounced it on the old tv show "check and mate" back in the seventies . ..

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  LIFE Master AJ: I guess if Black had not resigned ... we would have seen a Knight on f8?
Apr-19-05  aw1988: Certainly. I actually don't think white can win after f8=Q, but I could be wrong. This is just judging from a brief glance at the position.
Apr-19-05  hintza: <aw1988> I think you are wrong, White can win by promoting to either queen or knight it looks like. Of course, f8=N would be easier.
Apr-19-05  aw1988: Shrug. Like I said, a brief glance. My view is that after f8=Q Qxc2 white cannot check black anywhere and thus black forces perp. check.
Apr-19-05  hintza: 39...Kh7 40.f8=Q and now if 40...Qxc2 then White checks with either queen on h8 forcing mate in two. Or 39...Qg7 40.f8=Q+ Kh7 41.Qef5+ Qg6 42.Qxd7+ Qg7 43.Qfxg7#
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  LIFE Master AJ: <hintza>
You win the argument.
Apr-24-05  aw1988: I guess so, yeah.

I need to stop taking "brief glances".

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  LIFE Master AJ: agreed
Jan-02-09  WhiteRook48: got this one. after ...Kh7, white should play f8=N+ just for a knight fork! Black can't even retake the queen.
Nov-22-14  tranquilsimplicity: Indeed. A family-fork is the best and quickest ending.#
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