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H Hallmann vs W Schneider
corr (1931) (correspondence), ?
Vienna Game: Stanley Variation. Reversed Spanish (C26)  ·  1-0

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Apr-19-10
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  patzer2: It's Monday and the sham queen sacrifice 12. Qg8+! initiates a smothered mate-in-two. However, the combination to overwhelm the weakened castled position actually begins with 10. Ng5!

As <abuzic> and <tarek1> observe, the decisive mistake is 9...Re8?? (especially in correspondence). Instead, 9...Nf4! 10. Qg5 (forced as others lose) 10...h6! 11. Qxd8 Rxd8 is fine for Black.

Earlier in the opening, more popular relies for Black include 3...Nc6 as in K Jakubowski vs J Gdanski, 2010 and 4...Nc6 as in R Tischbierek vs S Ernst, 2009.

Apr-19-10  tratra: Took me no more than 5 seconds to spot 12.Qg8+! N(R)xg8 13. Nf7#
Apr-19-10  gofer: 12 Qg8+ ...

12 ... Rxg8 13 Nf7#
12 ... Nxg8 13 Nf7#

Slaughtered in 13 moves... ...ouch!

Apr-19-10  zb2cr: A smothered mate. 12. Qg8+. The Bishop back on c4 is the key, as it prevents the King from taking the Queen. No matter whether Black takes with the Rook or the Knight on g8, 13. Nf7# is the end of the <partie>.
Apr-19-10
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  wordfunph: easy indeed...12.Qg8+ (12...Rxg8 or 12...Nxg8) 13.Nf7#
Apr-19-10  gtgloner: Well, well, well, if it isn't our old friend, the Philidor's mate! 12. Qg8+ sets up the well-known pattern for the smothered mate on the next move. Let's see.
Apr-19-10
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  johnlspouge: Monday (Very Easy)

H Hallmann vs W Schneider, 1931 (12.?)

White to play and win.

Material: Today, we have a variant of Philidor's Legacy, a smothered mate.

Candidates (12.): Qg8+

12.Qg8+ Rxg8 [or Nxg8] 13.Nf7#

Apr-19-10  randomsac: Ah, Philidor's mate. This is really a very useful mate to remember. The puzzle would have been cool backed up a couple of moves.
Apr-19-10  DarthStapler: Got it easily
Apr-19-10  Uvulu: I believe this is actually called "Lucena's mate"
Apr-19-10  Eduardo Leon: I am late for work. Anyway, let's analyze every variation with great detail.

<12.♕g8+>

If <12...♖xg8>, then white could give black the death stare for a couple of minutes, while pondering his possibilities. Or he could imagine an hypothetical bet in which the one who wins the game sleeps with his opponent's wife or girlfriend. In any case, that's worth a couple of laughs. Okay, back to the game. This deep analysis leads to... well... <13.♘f7#>.


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If <12...♘xg8>, then the scenario is completely different. Oh, noes! The piece in g8 is a knight, not a rook! That's not how I was told Phillidor mates were! Please, calm down, chess is only a game. If you lose, you lose, and that's all. But don't resign for any reason. Fight 'till the very bitter end. Or at least give a spite check: <13.♘f7#>. Whoa! It's mate? Let's call the arbiter to be sure.


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Apr-19-10  SuperPatzer77: <tarek1> Hey, yourself! You're absolutely right about 9...Re8?? - Black should have played 9...Nf4! - counterattack move.

SuperPatzer77

Apr-19-10  awfulhangover: Correspondence game! LOOOOOOL!
Apr-19-10  zanshin: Amusing mate, but I wonder how this game made it past <CG>'s quality control ;-)
Apr-19-10
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  anthro: Many of Schneider's games in the CG database are very short. Makes me wonder...
Apr-19-10
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  anthro: Of course, this one is from 1931 -- the rest are from fifty years later! Perhaps you all should ignore my previous comment.
Apr-19-10
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  chrisowen: Black takes mic, Hallman forces it plugging 9..Re8's electric for white. Amp the knight g5 and charge. Fielding a defence is a step too far. A day when physically pooling the pieces fit..Qg8+ Nf7# shake rattle and roll, black is frazzled, shocking correspondence play.
Apr-19-10
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  kevin86: White needs two things to happen:vacate f7 and force black to block g8-Hence,the queen sac and smothered mate.

Black has TWO ways to capture the queen,but both fulfill the condition above. Therefore:mate.

Apr-19-10  YouRang: About as "Monday" as it gets. :-)
Apr-19-10  VincentL: This "very easy" position looks like a smothered mate...

12. Qg8+ Rxg8/Nxg8 13. Nf7 mate.

On to tomorrow.

Apr-19-10
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  tpstar: Compare Grischuk vs Ponomariov, 2000

Philidor's Legacy is the Queen and Knight mating motif using a Double Check and ending in smothered mate with Nf7# or Nf2#, provided no defending piece can cover that square. I suspect calling this Philidor's Mate is a misnomer.

Apr-19-10  Marmot PFL: It was known long before Philidor, but the same could be said for many names in chess.
Apr-19-10
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  Domdaniel: Seems that both players assumed that 9.Ba3 would induce the automatic Rook move 9...Re8. This would be understandable, though careless, in Blitz. In a CC game it's risky play by White and catastrophic for Black.

He should have been able to work out that ...Re8 lost, and looked for alternatives. He might have been surprised to find a strong one in ...Nf4.

But people can make hasty, careless moves in correspondence games, especially in the opening stages (and before computer blunder-checkers).

Apr-19-10  dzechiel: <tpstar: ... I suspect calling this Philidor's Mate is a misnomer.>

I agree. I would describe this game as ending in a smothered mate, but not the the well known Philidor's Mate combination.

Apr-19-10
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  laskereshevsky: Childish....

Indeed a "Monday"

But a monday from when?!
Looks like from the 12/13 century!

(BTW 12.♕g8+)

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