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Tibor Fogarasi vs Dennis Breder
KB Czech Open (2000), Pardubice CZE, rd 4, Jul-24
Sicilian Defense: Richter-Rauzer. Classical Variation (B63)  ·  0-1

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Nov-22-05  SamuelS: <senormosca>, there is a way to prevent the checkmate after 44...Qxb4: 45. Qxf6+ Kxh7 46. Qf7+ Kh8 (46...Kh6 47. Qg6#) 47. Qf6+ Kg8 (47...Kh7 =) 48. Qg6+ Kf8 (48...Kh8 49. Qh5+ Kg7 50. Qxd1 ) 49. Qh6+ Ke7 (49...Kg8 = or 49. Ke8 Qh5+ or 49. Kf7 Qh5+ ) 50. Qg7+ Kd8 (50...Kd6 51. Qf8+ Kc6 52. Qxb4 or 50...Ke8 51. Qg6+ =) 51. Qg8+ etc. At least to me this looks awfully complicated, because Black's king is on an open board and the queen and the rook are unprotected. I am quite sure there is no shelter for the king and this would be drawn eventually. The game continuation is much easier.
Nov-22-05  szgy: <senormosca> <SamuelS> line or the 44...Qxb4: 45. Qxf6+ Kxh7 46. Qf7+ Kh8 47. Qh5+ followed by 48. Qxd1 with some advantage for white.
Nov-22-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  jahhaj: <ataturk>
Time: about 5 seconds.
ELO: around 1800-1900, but being British I don't have an ELO rating.
Nov-22-05  dakgootje: Well as few of you I DIDNT look for a mate threat but wondered why white didnt take blacks queen, as i thought it was white to move...When i considered that too easy, and looked again i saw it was black to move...After that i took me like 5-10 seconds for solving it...thought it to be quite hard for a Tuesday. For the ones who only looked for the solution i recommend to look at the whole game, cause its quite nice. And last but not least my ELO: Dont know...Full time unrated and if i will ever have an ELO ill be under-rated.

p.s.: Dunno how what you guys would do, but as white i would have resigned after 44. ...♖a1

Nov-22-05  EmperorAtahualpa: I saw this one rather easily, but I took a little longer to calculate if Black is still winning because it is two pawns down.

The only move I don't understand is 47...Qg5? Why not 47...Kxh7?

Nov-22-05  Soltari: <EmperorAtahualpa:The only move I don't understand is 47...Qg5? Why not 47...Kxh7?> I think because the pawn on h7 is no threat anymore. As long as the black king stays on h8, it's very safe. White can only check the king by moving the rook to the 8th rank, when that happens black's king simply grabs the pawn. So i guess it's more important to grab the other pawns first. And for the puzzle, I didn't get it, I would have grabbed the rook without further thinking :P.
Nov-22-05  euripides: <Emperor> I assume either move wins, because White cannot build an airtight fortress here while also defending the f pawn. But to finish the game Black needs to create a passed pawn so winning the f pawn is a priority and 47...Qg5 is probably more efficient than Kxh7. After 47...Qg5 48 Ra4 Qxf5 49 Rxa6 Black has 49...Qf1+.
Nov-22-05  Schildt: Hello there
Im a newcommer at 47- started in a small local chessclub a year ago and beleve to have round 1300 rating according to Danish Chess Association. I got this puzzle in a half minute - and therefore I dont think You can use ratings for this. Yesterdays easy puzzle was solved instantly (almost) but the position was familiar to me, so......Lots of other puzzels I dont even get close, but it is a daily joy to find times for this!
Nov-22-05  seagull1756: If today we're talking is about ratings, let me ask you, how relevant Yahoo rating is. The thing is that I get crushed in 5 min games by 1600s, but can overplay an opponent who is 1790 in a slower game (15 min)... And I always get Wednesday and quite often Thursday puzzles.
Nov-22-05  HappyFriend: Ratings are nonsense. What happens if because of work, family and life obligations you only have time for one (rated) game per month? Is there truly a comparison with someone who plays 30 games a month? Of course not! Your precious rating will not win you the game, skill at the board will.
Nov-22-05
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  patzer2: Today's puzzle solution is initiated with the decoy 44...Ra1+!, which forces 45. Kxa1 to set up the discovered check 45...Bxb2+! to win the White Queen with decisive material advantage.

The tempting alternatives 44...Qd8?? and 44...Qa5+ 45. Ra4 Qxf5?? actually turn the tables and allow White to win. But how? Let's make it a couple of new puzzles:


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[White to move and win after 44...Qd8??]


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[White to move and win after 44...Qa5+? 45. Ra4 Qxf5??]

Nov-22-05  tactz: Its damm easy. It is obous that everything has to be forced or white wins. If u solve keeping this in mind then it is easy.
Nov-22-05  Central Control: I got it without too much trouble though it took me a while longer than it should of for some reason. Like someone else mentioned earlier, its probably one of the only puzzles that are easier to see OTB than when theres a "[color] to play and win" overhead.
Nov-22-05  monad: <An Englishman: the loose Queen?> Took me a lot longer that a minute, grubbing about for an early mate. I am still wondering whether this Queen of your description could be considered 'morally lax', as in promiscuous or merely undefended:-)
Nov-22-05  mikejaqua: Missed this one completely. The discovered attack on white's queen escaped my attention.
Nov-22-05  SamuelS: To the first puzzle above I would try: 45. Rb8 Qxb8 46. Qxf6+ Kxh7 47. Qxf7+ Kh8 48. Qh5+ Kg7 49. Qxd1
Nov-22-05  SamuelS: And to the second one: 46. Qf8+ Kxh7 47. Qxf7+ Kh8 48. Rh4+ Bxh4 49. Qxf5 or 47...Kh6 48. Rh4+ Kg5 49. Qh5#
Nov-22-05  Eric Xanthus: <patzer2> I think for your first puzzle 45.Rb8 Qxb8 46.Qxf6+ Kxh7 47.Qxf7+ Kh8 48.Qh5+ and the rook falls. The second seemed simpler to me: 46.Qf8+ Kxh7 47.Qxf7+ Kh8/6 48.Rh4+ and the queen will have to fall.

What is my prize? :)

Nov-22-05  sanferrera: thanks, patzer2. Your little new problems were amussing to solve.
Nov-22-05
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  patzer2: <SamuyelS><EricXanthus> Thanks for the expanded solutions to the problems I provided above. The first problem illustrates the power of the pin and the Skewer with 45. Rb8! used as a deflection to set up a winning double attack. The second problem uses a simple pin and deflection tactic to win the Queen after 46. Qf8+ Kxh7 47. Qxf7+ Kh6 48. Rh4+ . <sanferrera> Glad you enjoyed them. I thought they were instructive examples of what to avoid (as Black) in today's problem.
Nov-22-05  Guest1825: Got this. But if I were White, I'd have resigned following 48.Rb8+ There is the ever-so-small-as-to-be-non-existent possibility of48...Kg7?? or 48...Qg8?? Keeps the fighting spirit to the end. Of course, had I played this game, I would not have played as White, I'd have played Black, naturally!
Nov-22-05  YouRang: I got it. For a minute, I was looking for mating maneuvers, but when I noticed the potential for a discovered attack on the queen, 44. Ra1+ sprang into view.
Nov-22-05  TopaLove: First, I think it would have been interesting starting before 43 ... ♖d1+

I started looking for a mate too. I tried first ♕a5+ and ♕g1. After, when I analized ♖a1+ I realized the queen was in prize.

My rating is around 1700 in 5 minute games and around 1800+ in longer games. It took me 3 minutes to solve the puzzle.

Nov-22-05
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  pittpanther: This was an interesting puzzle. I figured it out in about 15 seconds. My rating is USCF 2220.
Nov-22-05  Halldor: Got this instantly because I began to look for the most forced moves.
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