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Charles Maurian vs Paul Morphy
Odds game (1854) (unorthodox), New Orleans, LA USA
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Mar-03-04  CapAnson: In the beginning d5 was a real stinker of a move, development was needed. In the final position, it seems like Nf1-g3 might hold on, unless I'm missing something.
Mar-03-04  BeautyInChess: If 20. ♗e3 ♖xf2! 21. ♗xf2 ♗h2+ 22. ♔h1 ♗g3+ 23. ♔g1 ♕h2+ 24. ♔f1 ♕f2# Nice!
Jun-17-04  zb2cr: Okay, let's take 'em in order of easy.

Either 20 Rf1 or 20 Bf1 fail to 20 ... Qh2#.

20 f3, Bd4+ with mate in one.

20 Nf3 just gives away a piece, 20 ... Rxf3, and Black has all the same threats.

<BeautyInChess> has already addressed 20 Be3.

20 Nf1 isn't entirely clear to me. Perhaps 20 ... Rf3; 21 Be2, Qg4+; 22 Ng3, Rxg3+; 23 fxg3, Qxg3+; 24 Kf1, Qh3+; 25 Ke1, Bg3+; 26 Kd2, Qxh6+; 27 Kd3, Nd7; 28 Qa4 ( 28 Bf1 leads to mate after 28 ... Ne5+; 29 Ke2, Qf4; 30 Rdc1, Qf2+. ). Beyond here, though, the variations aren't forced and I can't see a clear win for Black.

Jun-18-04  zb2cr: Actually, after 20 Nf1, Qxh6 looks strong. The position has many possibilities, and most of the obvious White moves look bad.

1. 21 Qd2, Qh4; 22 Qe2, Qg5+; 23 Ng3, Bd4! looks strong for Black. In this line, if instead 23 Kh1, Bd4; 24 Ne3, Rf4 etc.

2. 21 Be2 (to answer ... Bd4 by sacrificing the exchange), then 21 ... Qg5+; 22 Ng3, Bxg3; 23 fxg3, Qxg3+ etc.

3. 21 Qd2, Qh4; 22 axb4, Qg4+; 23 Ng3, Bd4; 24 Rf1, Qxg3+; 25 Kh1, Qh3+; 26 Kg1, Rf6 etc.

4. 21 Qe2, Qg5+; 22 Kh1 ( if 22 Ng3, Bd4 transposes to line 1 ), 22 ... Bd4; 23 Rd2, bxa3; 24 Rxa3, Qh4+; 25 Kg2, Rxf2+; 26 Qxf2, Bxf2; 27 Rxf2, Qg5+; 28 Ng3, h5.

<crafty>, can you find a Black win after 20 Nf1, Qxh6 ?

Aug-02-04  nikolaas: <chessgames.com> How do you submit a game in which some piece is given?
Dec-18-04  Assassinater: What's wrong with a simple 14. f4? It appears to win a piece, unless I'm mistaken...
Dec-18-04
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  tpstar: <Assassinater> The Nh2 hits the Rf1 = 14. f4!? Nxf1 15. fxe5 de and the Rf7 covers the Nf1 for now. Or White could try 15. Kxf1!? giving up the exchange to remain up a piece. Given the game continuation, this line might be an improvement.
Jun-04-05  black knight c6: I dont believe white has lost at all; I think he could be winning. after 20. ♘f1 ♕xh6 I recommend the simple axb4 preparing for a queenside invasion. I think white can just hold out. Can anyone see a way in for black if white just goes about queenside business?
Jun-04-05  black knight c6: actually, I believe it is a draw. Black can draw by perpetual check after 21. axb4, (♘g3 to intervene fails to a mate) or 21. ♘g3 can eventually end up with ♕ and ♖ (white) vs ♕ and ♘ but with whites king and pawns exposed. So I believe Maurian had a draw here.
Sep-25-05  blingice: That is so sad that Maurian didn't win this game.
Sep-25-05  who: Larsen's famous line is that you can't get mated if you have a knight on Kb1.
Sep-25-05  percyblakeney: Shredder can't find anything for black after 20. Nf1. One possible line is 20. ... Qxh6 21. Kg2 Bd4 22. axb4 Qh5 23. Qe2 Rxf2+ 24. Qxf2 Bxf2 25. Kxf2 and white is evaluated as more than 2 pawns up.
Sep-25-05  who: By the way. It should not be ignored that the fact that Maurian might have staved off the mate threats does not mean he would have won. Remember Morphy started off down 6 points of material and now is only down 2. So he may still have found a win later on.
Dec-01-05  Chopin: Despite all these odds, Maurian still couldn't win. The funny thing is that Morphy never used his queen's knight through out the match.
Feb-11-06  Whitehat1963: So is the official line now that White might still have saved this one via 20. Nf1?
Feb-19-08  sombreronegro: Did not use his queen knight? Maybe Morphy forgot he had it? He is used to playing without most of his queen side.
Dec-31-08  WhiteRook48: wow. how can you lose when you have the white pieces, an extra Rook, an extra Pawn, and your opponent sacrificed a bishop in the opening AND YOU STILL LOSE.
Jan-01-09  WhiteRook48: and he never moves his queen's knight.
Jan-02-09  WhiteRook48: <nikolaas> you probably put in the header: ODDS GAME: ___________ REMOVED or something like that. I have really no idea of how it works. And if it's move odds and piece odds: ODDS GAME: ________ piece (s) removed white pawn already advanced to e4 or d4 at starting position or something like that.
Jan-19-09  WhiteRook48: notice the pawn chain from b4 to e7.
Jan-19-09  AnalyzeThis: This same Maurian defeated Steinitz in a normal game of chess.
Jan-19-09  Nietzowitsch: So what <AnalyzeThis>?
Mar-21-09  WhiteRook48: this means Steinitz is worse than Morphy, duh!
Jul-15-15  saturn2: @tpstar: <Assassinater> The Nh2 hits the Rf1 = 14. f4!? Nxf1 15. fxe5 de and the Rf7 covers the Nf1 for now.

After 16 Nd2 the black Knight on f1 is definitely lost. So white got N+B for R+P and 14 f4 was good for white.

Jan-29-16  juanhernandez: f=free frm all formalities
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