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Zhu Chen vs Alexandra Kosteniuk
Women's World Championship Knockout Tournament (2001), Moscow RUS, rd 6, Dec-13
Dutch Defense: General (A80)  ·  0-1



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Apr-27-05  Jaymthegenius: Yes, I study combonations, and in fact Shredder is aiding me as I speak to anylize an opening novelty I can use.
Apr-27-05  Karpova: <WillC21> You really don't like jaym do you?
Apr-27-05  Karpova: <jaymthegenius>
do you recommend anylizing combonations with machenes like shredder?
Apr-27-05  WillC21: <jaymthegenius> Is Shredder the best machene? I anylize with Fritz, which I think is stronger, no? Tacitly I think both machenes are strong though? Which do you recomend?
Apr-27-05  WillC21: <Karpova> Do you think he gets what we're doing? ;)
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  WannaBe: I have to jump in... This just gets funnier & funnier...

<WillC21> I have owned Fritz 8 Multi-Processor Version. (gave it away to a chess player friend for his birthday) I currently use Shredder 9.

We had a competition where we let the 2 computer play each other. All things aside (RAM, CPU, etc..) Shredder 9 beat Fritz 8.

We then input one of our previously played game (human vs. human) and ran blunder check on both machine.
Shredder 9 came back with more blunders and better recommendations.

my personal experience. In all honesty, at the level where *I* play, I would have been very happy with Fritz 8 with the way it kicks my rear end and its analysis is more than I can comprehend and appreciate.

However, <jaymthegenius> may require Hydra. Because Fritz and Shredder may not be good enough.

Apr-27-05  Jaymthegenius: Actually, I use Crafty, Fritz, AND Deep Shredder 9 to analyse the opening for me! And Yes, Fritz and Shredder are indeed good enough.
Apr-27-05  Jaymthegenius: Also, I may log onto Yahoo! Under the name DeepShredder9(c)(I have a (c) under Deep Shredder9 at
Apr-27-05  WillC21: I don't think the actual chess knowledge or evaluation function of Hydra is stronger than Fritz/Shredder. In fact I think Hydra is slightly inferior in that regard. I just think it looks many ply deeper, because it is a supercomputer.
Apr-27-05  WillC21: <jaymthegenius> What's your handle for your Yahoo! account with Shredder? "DeepShredder9(c)"? Can you use parentheses in a handle? When are you logging in, right now?
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  WannaBe: I am going to register Deep Fritz 9(c)
and Deep Shredder 10(c) and Hydra(c)
on yahoo before anyone else does...
Apr-27-05  maoam: <I would play 6.Nd7 to get the solid knight formation, in case of Bg5,h6 Bxf6,Nxf6 and the pawn structure stay's intact.>

Nd7 seems inaccurate. It's better to play Bd7 (if Ne5 then the bishop can be relocated to h5 via e8) or b6 with a fianchetto. The knight might be better placed on a6 in some cases.

Apr-27-05  maoam: Oops, it appears I've ignored posting guidelines and written something about the game. I really should've made some shallow/ignorant remark about IQ societies or chess engines. I'm off to listen to "I've got a brand new combone-harvester" by The Wurzels.
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  WannaBe: I must admit, I am not completely sure
if <maoam> is targeting a specific person, or the ones that didn't follow
guideline and turned this kibitzing
into somewhat of a kangaroo court. 8-))

I am off to study the St. Petersburg Dutch.

Apr-28-05  Karpova: <WillC21>

i was gone. had to study the polugajevsky-line in the najdorf to improve my skills in calm positional manoeuvering to become as good as kosteniuk...

<Do you think he gets what we're doing?>

no, he's obviously immune.

Apr-28-05  fenno: <Jaymthegenius>Have you noticed that your social skills are on about the same level as Fritz8 has? Have you ever heard about Asperger's syndrome? Read about it. You might find it fascinating to see yourself being described.
Apr-28-05  Jaymthegenius: DeepShredder9(c)"? Can you use parentheses in a handle? When are you logging in, right now?

No, I couldnt use parenthesis, so but DeepShredder9c ought to be a dead givaway of the program.

Have you ever heard about Asperger's syndrome?

They mention it in Fischer's biography, no, I am a socially powerful being that is quite confident.

Apr-28-05  Larsker: <Have you noticed that your social skills are on about the same level as Fritz8 has? Have you ever heard about Asperger's syndrome? Read about it. You might find it fascinating to see yourself being described.> Ouch! Easy now. I just think Jaym is young and boisterous.
Apr-28-05  fenno: <Jaymthegenius>Everyone can see that you are quite confident, but it is not the same as being socially powerful.

So, are you 100% sure that your neurology is not special in the same way as Fischer's is?

Apr-28-05  Karpova: <Asperger's Syndrome, also known as Asperger's Disorder or Autistic Psychopathy, is a Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) characterized by severe and sustained impairment in social interaction, development of restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, and activities. These characteristics result in clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.>

Apr-28-05  fenno: says: <Michelangelo might have had it. So, too, may Einstein, Socrates and Jane Austen. All are claimed to have had Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism. What is it about this developmental disorder that can lead to genius?>
Apr-28-05  azaris: <Michelangelo might have had it. So, too, may Einstein, Socrates and Jane Austen> This sounds like pseudo-science rubbish. How on Earth can you know someone who lived 2500 years ago had a condition that isn't very well known even today?
Apr-28-05  fenno: You cannot _know_. Note the conditionals, <azaris>
Apr-28-05  Karpova: <fenno>
yes, and that's what renders the whole article useless.
Apr-28-05  fenno: It is an interesting hypothesis, though.
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