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Morphy / Barnes vs Staunton / Owen
Consultation game (1858), London ENG, Jul-??
Scandinavian Defense: Ilundain Variation (B01)  ·  1-0



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Oct-12-02  pawntificator: I can see it now...

Barnes: "Ooh, what about Rook to King's Knight 1?"

Morphy: "No, you fool! (I can't believe I'm stuck with this imbecile.)"

Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Ha ha. funny But in all seriousness, that's a pretty weak 16th move. by the normally impeccable Morphy. How would you play that? Okay I already know, you'd hunker down and pick up an MCO book on this line and play all afternoon. Okay what if it was blitz? then what?
Oct-12-02  pawntificator: He was just consolidating his position after moving his knight with threat of mate. He might have tried 16. g4 immediately, but that leaves too many chances for black with knight and bishop eyeing the king. I like Morphy's move. It just reduces the number of continuations for black and makes the knight rather obsolete for the moment
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: you wanna take Morphys position and I'll take Barnes? I see you dont have the B pair so maybe I am still not dead in the water.

Where do we pick this up at?

Oct-12-02  pawntificator: I don't think I could improve on Morphy's Game. But if you find a spot you want to try and fix for black then go ahead, bring it!
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Well can you tell us what happens here very briefly pretend you are briefing a legal case. A short synopsis of what you think happens.

I just played hit the buttons and it looks like on or about 24 or 25 both guys just start fooling around w/ the B. maybe there

Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Or how about I play Morphy at move 15?
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: How bad was Staunton really, find out w/ 16 Bxg6
Oct-12-02  pawntificator: 16...fxg6
Oct-12-02  pawntificator: heh heh, too late, I already saw it druk!!
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: 17 Qg3. You can see know why Morphy was so confused at this moment in game. That was why heplayed so passively there.
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Unfortunately the score sheet for the original game was destroyed by fire; according to the dk the actual hypothetical game begins: 16 Bxg6 fxg6 17 Qg3
Oct-12-02  pawntificator: Morphy was so confused!! Heh heh, your a riot! 17...e5
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Can dk pull it off? Watch the f pawn in action!
Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Lets speed this up to white's 24th move. At that pt. Morphy breaks the game open and it will spin off down pathways that cant be stopped. But the game is even, so w/ best play all these should lead to draw, believe it or not. Up to move 24 they are fooling around.

Who do you want to be at that moment? (it will be blacks 25th to play)

Morphy or Staunton?

Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Who's chances does Pontificator like better? Morphy or Staunton's? There's no B pair to worry about so this one is a no brainer.
Oct-12-02  pawntificator: I'll take staunton..but I'm going to disappear for a couple hours soon

But look at Staunton's 16th. Moving the queen up there just to maintain the pin on the night while he transfers his own knight to the kingside? It lacks vision.

Oct-12-02  drukenknight: Still want to defend Staunton's position in this? Not after we show you white's 29th. Not recommended for those under 2200 USCF. Re: stuanton's 16th, game is still draw at that pt. so who cares?
Nov-07-03  refutor: in all seriousness, morphy was probably happy to take barnes as a partner in consultation...barnes beat him more than any other player. they only have 8 games listed here (score 6-2 morphy) but check out reinfeld's collection and you'll see what i mean
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  Calli: Morphy/Barnes could have smashed Staunton/Owen! For instance, 24.Ne4! puts Black in a bad way. Or 29.Nxf7! rips the position wide open.

Could it be that Morphy avoided these moves because he wanted to lure Staunton into a match? That he wanted Staunton to think a match would be a close contest?

Nov-11-03  drukenknight: I think Staunton had to leave the game due to a previously agreed upon publishing commitment.
Oct-28-04  who: <Calli> 24.Ne4 is impossible.
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  keypusher: <calli> 29 ♘xf7 ♕xf4+
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  Calli: <who> I meant 27.Ne4. Sorry about the typo.

<keypusher> Exactly. 29.Nxf7 Qxf4+ 30.Kg1 Qxf7 31.Rg5+ is an easy win

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  offramp: How do you play a consultation game? Do all four players sit at the board as usual and talk about their moves, or are the two pairs of opponents in different rooms?
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