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Gustav Zeissl vs Walter von Walthoffen
Vienna (1898), Vienna AUH
Spanish Game: Schliemann Defense. Schönemann Attack (C63)  ·  0-1

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Sep-26-05
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  sisyphus: How Not to Answer the Schliemann Defense: 4. d4 practically commits White to a dubious pawn sacrifice after 4.... fxe4 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. dxe5 c6 7. Bc4 Qa5+.

The right answer is 4. Nc3, even as Chernev ("Logical Chess, Move by Move") buries it in a later note. After the exchange of pawns, White has the better side of a dyanamic position.

Oct-16-05  MUG: White is not committed to the pawn sacrifice. Chernev does point out that 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 leads to an approximately equal game.
Feb-03-06  Kriegspiel: I don't have Chernev's book in front of me. But Kallai recommends against that line, <MUG>, on the grounds that after 6...Qh4! (I assume to prevent Qh5+) 7.o-o Bd6 8.f3 exf3 9.Nxf3 Qh5 10.Re1+ Ne7 and ...o-o "Black is already better".

Kriegspiel
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Jul-09-06  MUG: <Kriegspiel> In the Kallai line you have quoted, playing 7.0-0 does seem to lead to trouble for White. However, BCO2 (Batsford Chess Openings) still gives 5.Nxe5 a ?!, whilst they also assess 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.Nxe5 Qh4 as equal (in agreement with Chernev).

Short vs Piket, 1995

I suppose it’s a matter of taste, but I don’t like Whites position after 5.Nxe5 Nxe5 6.dxe5 c6 because then he/she has the uncomfortable choice between retreating the Bishop and giving Black an easy game (as here), or else trying the crazy looking 7.Nc3, which I still can’t decide is even playable or not!

J Barry vs Marshall, 1904

Nov-24-08
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  beenthere240: White has an easy win in this position, but I will refrain from posting my analysis in case I meet any of you buzzards over the board!!!
Feb-03-09  thomascrown: This is the game! In the original 'Thomas Crown Affair' the technical adviser patterned the chess game in the film from this game,'a short game ending with a dominating black queen'.
Jan-31-10  SufferingBruin: FYI, Chernev has 14... Qf5 and not 14... Qh5 as shown here, not that it makes a helluva lot of difference.
Jan-31-10
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  whiteshark: Black was 'cosmopolitan'. :D
Jul-24-10  shishio71: I'm looking over this game right now in the old Simon & Schuster print and Chernev has 14... Qf5, not Qh5
Sep-21-16
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  tpstar: After 14. Bf4:


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This puzzle is discussed on Fred Reinfeld Page 3 with the proposed solution: 1... Qh5 2.Nd1 Qh3 3.Ne3 Ng4 4.Rfe1 Qxh2+5.Kf1 Qh1#

Yet 14 ... Qh5 allows 15. h4 with no immediate mate (15 ... Qf5 16. Kh2), so Chernev's 14 ... Qf5 is probably correct and much cleaner.

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