Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Wilfred Charles Palmer vs Isidor Gunsberg
BCF-ch 5th (1908), Tunbridge Wells ENG, rd 9, Aug-19
Queen's Gambit Declined: Charousek (Petrosian) Variation (D31)  ·  1-0



explore this opening
find similar games 437 more games of Gunsberg
sac: 20.Rxe5 PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" button below the game.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
Aug-31-04  Giancarlo: At move 18:

18.<rf7!> ne5**

** If 18.Kf7 then 19.Qd5 re6 20.rf1 ke7 21. Bg5

19. rg7 Kh8 20. <re5!> ** 1-0

** now 20..re5 <21. rh7!> kh7 22. Qg6 Kh8 and 23. Qg7 MATE

First Kibitz of this page suprisingly.

Premium Chessgames Member
  tpstar: <Giancarlo> Very nice analysis! Please allow me to clarify other defensive tries. After 18. Rxf7! Kxf7? 19. Qxd5+ Re6 20. Rf1+ Ke8 21. Qxe6+ Qe7 22. Qg8+ Nf8 23. Rxf8+ Kd7 24. Rf7 wins, also 20 ... Kg8 21. Qxe6+ Kh8 22. Qf7 Qg8 23. Qxg8+ Kxg8 24. e6 wins. Instead of 18 ... Kxf7? Black could try 18 ... Kh8 which loses to 19. Rxh7+! Kxh7/Kg8 20. Qxg6+ like your second line or 18 ... dc 19. Rg7+ Kf8/Kh8 20. Rxh7+! again. 18 ... Re7 falls to 19. Qxd5! Rxf7 (19 ... Nxe5?/Qe8? 20. Rf8#) 20. Rf1 Qe8 21. Rxf7 Qxf7 22. e6 Qf5 23. e7+! mates. So Black's only hope is 18 ... Nf8 19. Qxd5 Qxd5 20. Rg7+ Kh8 21. cxd5 with unstoppable Pawns; note 19 ... Be6? 20. Rxf8+! Rxf8 21. Qxe6+ Kh8 22. Bxf8, or 21 ... Rf7 22. Bxg6! both winning a piece.
Sep-01-04  Giancarlo: Very good Tpstar, thanks for the fillers.
Jun-17-05  aw1988: <tpstar> Is this your grandfather?
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: <aw1988> <<tpstar> Is this your grandfather?> Perhaps it might be but my information has this as Reverend W. C. Palmer and that this game was played in the British Championship in 1908 at Tunbridge Wells. Although it's a fine game I'm not quite sure why <fred lennox> has it in his "19th Century Gems" collection when it was played in 1908?

Incidently I have another game of Palmer's from this event played against H.W. Shoosmith which I'll upload at some stage in the future.

Jan-10-09  WhiteRook48: Palmer won all of his games
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: I tried submitting <The Palmer Method> as a pun for this game, but found that someone had beaten me to the punch (line).
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: I just did a search of the phrase preparatory to submitting it. I saw this and a <tpstar> mention.

T Palmer vs W Surlow, 1998

I think it'd be nice on his DOB or DOD.

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.

NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

<This page contains Editor Notes. Click here to read them.>

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
QGD: Charousek (Petrosian) Variation (D31) 1-0 Smashing Rooks!
from - ER Other People by fredthebear
October, p. 217 [Game 224 / 1505] American Chess Bulletin 1908
from Published Games by Year & Unconfirmed Source 10 by fredthebear
October, p. 217 [Game 224 / 1505]
from American Chess Bulletin 1908 by Phony Benoni

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC