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Joseph Cukierman vs NN
Paris (1934)
Uncommon King's Pawn Opening (B00)  ·  1-0



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Apr-17-07  jmw128: A friend of mine plays this 2...Nd7. Our games usually turn into a Pirc or something similar to KID. He plays this set-up because he likes the KIA and tries to play the exact move order he uses as White when playing Black. It's the same mentality as those who play a "system" and just blast out the first few moves regardless of what the opponent plays, which is certainly not best. Perhaps, this provides a possible explanation of 2...Nd7. If the Bishop gets played to c4, he usually plays Nb6 to avoid the problem.
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  beenthere240: Raymond Keene WRITES BOOKS of chess puzzles. I imagine he has better things to do than look at pretty much the same puzzles he's already printed.
Apr-17-07  laskereshevsky: <folks> every week the same story.....same peoples say how much easy are the week's first days puzzles.....other peoples complaining about how much "stupid" is complaining about it......Maybe all this, will never end....

BTW Its enough "correct" to say the 2-3 first week's puzzles are not very difficoult... isnt very clear the reason why same peoples feel "hurted" by this obvious opinion.....

Apr-17-07  kevin86: In boxing,a result like this would be classed as a KODI-knocked out during instructions. (I know that's illegal,but I once saw a boxer give another a hard shot to the hipbone at that time.

What I meant here,was a quick KO by white. "Save the king,smother the queen".

Apr-17-07  kevin86: BTW,the fastest possible smothered mate is: 1 c4 Nc6 2 e3 Nb4 3 Ne2 Nd3#. Now isn't this a pretty picture?

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Apr-17-07  artemis: dehanne: yeah and the queen is saying "I want a divorce!"
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  Eggman: White improves on the play here in Lusgin vs Joffe, 1968, where play continued 4.Bxf7+! Kxf7 5.Ng5+ 1-0 (5...Kf6 6.Qf3+ Kxg5 7.d4+ Kh4 8.Qh3#)
Apr-17-07  JG27Pyth: Darn it eggman I just found that line myself (analyzing with computer!) I put up a nice post about it, and while I was working on it you posted your comment. Rendering my work superfluous. I'm going off to sulk.
Apr-17-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <Eggman> You're late.

<tbentley> found this game first, I've posted the relevant position and outcomes, and <Tactic101> posted the winning lines.

It might be a good idea to review the old comments before rediscovering stuff.

Apr-17-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <JG27Pyth> No need to sulk. At least you checked the latest postings before adding yours. Pat yourself on your shoulder for that.

There is multiple evidence that many people forget to do this (myself included, sigh).

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  fm avari viraf: This game reminds me of my interesting battle against the hefty six footer Russian Vladamir Startsev at Hastings Chess Congress in 1998. The Russian played his favourite Philidor Def. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 Be7 5.0-0 Nbd7 6.Ng5 0-0 7.Bxf7+ Rxf7 8.Ne6 Qe8 9.Nxc7 forking the Q & R and the tense battle just began but ultimately I won with some anxious moments.This was played in the penultimate 10th rd. of the World Amateur Chess Championship & we both led the Tournament. In the final round he was held to a draw & I beat an English player to clinch the most coveted World Crown & a glittering Gold Medal for India.
Apr-17-07  Balar: took me ages to solve this

i felt really dumb after i saw the answer because almost this exact same thing happened to me in a tournament a few weeks ago

guess the pirc isn't as immortal as i thought it was

Apr-17-07  thedoyle: about fifteen seconds to get it
Apr-17-07  NakoSonorense: Nice little trap.
Apr-17-07  another italian tony: Interesting thing about this game is that typically I, (and a few others I assume) would play d4 after the response d6 by black which give white the chance to take advantage of the inaccuracies of black. If white doesn't develop with Bc4 on move 2, this game may not have ended as it did.
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  alexmagnus: Damn how could I not see Ne6? I saw that Qf3 brings nothing, the swittched to Nxf7 followed by Qf3, then to Bxf7 followed by Qf3 - all refuted by Ne5. Overlooking Ne6 - although I know that the bishop sac on f7 often gets followed by Ne6.... Well, next time it gets better:)
Apr-17-07  Knight13: Got it in 2 seconds. (That's because I've seen this type of problem before.)
Apr-17-07  aazqua: I think I know the theme for this week - stupidly easy.
Apr-17-07  haconly: <ikalel> I agree. Too easy actually considering i am a relatively weak player and i can see this easily.
Apr-17-07  Hot Logic: I spent quite a while trying to decoy the knight on h6 so the bishop could mate - one of the lines was a queen sac that didn't work and I started thinking about equalising when I noticed the other queen was also smothered.
Jan-24-09  WhiteRook48: Removing the Guard. Great tactics!
Feb-09-09  WhiteRook48: or 4. Bxf7+ which wins as earlier posts
Feb-09-09  patzer2: Seems to me that 4...e6 makes a little more of a fight of it for Black.
Apr-09-09  WhiteRook48: 2...Nd7? is horrible
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  Korora: <WhiteRook48> According to Stockfish, Black could still have equalized with 4...e6 5.d4 h6 6.♘f3 ♗g7 7.O-O ♘e7 8.c3 O-O 9.♗b3.
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