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| Aug-31-22 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: Nice and simple. Any attempt by White to bail out of the trap leaves him a piece behind. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | mayankk06: One of the first traps you learn as it can come from so many different lines, but still has a unique flavour to it. One side lulls the other into believing it has a Knight pinned by Bishop, it then nonchalantly breaks the pin and mates soon after with the help of the other Knight and Bishop. No heavy pieces involved and the hapless King has all its flight squares blocked by his own pieces. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Yeah <Jim> the King also did the same. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | jrredfield: Hell hath no fury like a Queen scorned. White paid very quickly for such a lack of chivalry. |
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Aug-31-22
 | | OhioChessFan: Hey! I just thought of a possible pun for this game. |
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Aug-31-22
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Black delivered checkmate with this mating pattern?! Why, such an outrage should be il-Legal!! |
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Aug-31-22
 | | agb2002: Black is one pawn down.
White threatens Nxc5.
A well known mate pattern (but I don't remember its name now...), 7... Nxe4: A) 8.Bxd8 Bxf7+ 9.Ke2 Nd4#.
B) 8.Be3 Bxe3 9.fxe3 Qh4+ 10.g3 (10.Ke2 Qf2#) 10... Nxg3 11.Nf3 Qh6 wins decisive material. C) 8.dxe4 Qxg5 wins a piece. |
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Aug-31-22
 | | FSR: Oh NN, when will you ever learn? |
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| Aug-31-22 | | Ariogermano: 7...Nxe4 8. Bxd8 Bxf2+ 9. Ke2 Bg4+ 10. Nf3 Nd4# |
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Aug-31-22
 | | Teyss: <agb2002: A well known mate pattern (but I don't remember its name now...)> LOL. It's a Lagel mate. |
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Aug-31-22
| | Teyss: Actually there are a few games where Black delivers this mate:
Horwitz vs Bledow, 1837
London vs Athens, 1897 Aggravated by the fact it's correspondence.
NN vs P Krueger, 1920 Apparently NN forgot about this trap and again fell into it 15 years later.
N Vanderhallen vs B Skjoldan, 1998
D Collier vs T Chapman, 2009
NN vs F Rhine, 2021. The name rings a bell. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | saturn2: The Nf6 is not safety pinned. |
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Aug-31-22
 | | Dionysius1: Hi <Teyss>. "Aggravated mate". Great stuff. Can we have "Grievious bodily check", "sacrifice with intent to mate"? |
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| Aug-31-22 | | TheaN: Coming back to this after a good night's sleep, in the Budapest line I mentioned I could have tried Ne4 too but it's slightly weaker. Still an interesting line to show the weakness of pinning the king's knight: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.d5 Bc5 4.Bg5?
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As already mentioned, 4....Bxf2+ is a bit more consistent here, as it forcefully dislodges the king 5.Kxf2 Ng4+ (interesting Ne4+? is a draw only after 6.Ke3!) 6.Ke1 Qxg5 ∓ to -+ and in my humble opinion White should resign: zero development, no castle and a pawn down six moves in. The alternative 4....Ne4!? might technically be stronger but is a bit more complex 5.Be3; anything else drops the bishop or king, 5....Bxe3 6.fxe3 Qh4+ 7.g3 Nxg3 8.Nf3:
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White's gotten some play back for the pawn: can castle still and is developing. Having said that, 8....Qh6 9.Rg1 Nxf1 ∓ and Black's better, but after 10.Rxf1, 10....d6 is probably more consistent than 10....Qxe3 11.d6! ⩱. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | mel gibson: Stockfish 15 says:
7... Nxe4
(7. .. Nxe4 (♘f6xe4 d3xe4 ♕d8xg5 ♘g1-f3 ♕g5-g6 ♕d1-d5 ♗c5-b6 h2-h4 O-O
h4-h5 ♕g6-f6 c2-c3 ♖f8-d8 ♕d5-b5 ♗c8-d7 O-O-O ♕f6-f4+ ♔c1-b1 ♕f4xe4+ ♗f1-d3
♕e4-f4 ♗d3-c2 ♗d7-f5 ♕b5-e2 ♗f5xc2+ ♕e2xc2 ♖d8xd1+ ♖h1xd1 ♖a8-e8 ♘f3-d2
e5-e4 ♖d1-e1 e4-e3 f2xe3 ♕f4-g4 ♘d2-f3 ♕g4xh5 e3-e4 g7-g5 a2-a4 g5-g4
♘f3-d2 ♕h5-g6 ♖e1-f1 ♗b6-e3 ♖f1-f5 ♗e3xd2 ♕c2xd2 ♖e8-e7 ♔b1-a2 ♕g6-e6+
♖f5-d5) +7.98/44 545)
score for Black +7.98 depth 44. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | sfm: <TheaN (interesting Ne4+? is a draw only after 6.Ke3!) > Ouch! We always like to play the nicely centralizing Ne4+. <TheaN 6.Ke1 Qxg5 ∓ to -+ and in my humble opinion White should resign: zero development, no castle and a pawn down six moves in.> One problem with resigning is, that I over time has gotten maybe 5% or so of my points from positions where "I should have resigned". I could easier have lived with resignations and points I could have saved, if my opponents would have been equally noble. They too often weren't. :-(
There's another -5% or so where my opponent should have resigned, but didn't. I have noticed that late resigning is a hallmark of the players whose strength we admire. In my opinion there is never a time where you "ought to" resign. There is just a time where you evaluate that you will get more from the rest your life by giving up. That could well be, but at times I see a missing will to fight, after having spoiled the game. Do not teach our youngsters to resign, as if it itself is something fine and correct. We once won a team-match after I got a draw out of a resignable position.
After reviewing the game afterwards I never forgot (despite 40 years passed since then) the words of my laughing teammate Kurt:
"You actually don't play well - but you fight very well!" I am as proud of that as of anything else ever said about my chess. |
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Aug-31-22
 | | chrisowen: I pawn dolt heavies Nxe4 accumulated q mood cold fanfare leeways chat
proverbial blav Nxe4 dug. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | TheaN: <sfm: <TheaN 6.Ke1 Qxg5 ∓ to -+ and in my humble opinion White should resign: zero development, no castle and a pawn down six moves in.> One problem with resigning is, that I over time has gotten maybe 5% or so of my points from positions where "I should have resigned".> I think every chess player has been on both sides of the coin: it also makes analysis a bit moot: "I was winning after six moves, then screwed up". Usually pretty obvious where the final mistake was made also. But you're not wrong. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | Hercdon: This is more like a Monday puzzle. By that, I mean I got this puzzle even though I miss many Monday puzzles |
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Aug-31-22
 | | thegoodanarchist: White should have developed another piece, instead of moving the queen's knight twice. |
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Aug-31-22
| | Teyss: Hi <Dionysius1> That's good categories. We could also have "Mateslaughter without intention to kill": when you check the opponent's King and realise only afterwards it's actually mate. |
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Aug-31-22
 | | perfidious: I can picture the defendant in the dock at sentencing: <B-b-but, Your Honour, I only meant to check his king, not mate him'.His Honour: You are but a knave and miscreant; 25 to life for you. Parole? Fuhgeddaboutit!> |
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Aug-31-22
 | | paulalbert: Classic mating pattern but with black instead of white. I learned when I was 10 years old.
Of course taking Q not obligatory, just lose a piece. |
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| Aug-31-22 | | Halldor: Got it because I knew the trap. However, I had to refresh my memory (tried Bg4†?! before seeing that the knight on c6 does the trick). |
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Sep-01-22
| | Dionysius1: <Teyss: Hi <Dionysius1> That's good categories. We could also have "Mateslaughter without intention to kill": when you check the opponent's King and realise only afterwards it's actually mate.> Genius. I'd forgotten that happens. |
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sac: 7...Nxe4