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Jesus Amillano vs Arturo Loeffler
Mar del Plata (1972)
King Pawn Game: Parham Attack (C20)  ·  1-0

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Feb-15-04
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  Benzol: <aragorn69> I understand what your saying but some games like Dodge-Houghteling played in Chicago circa 1905 deserve to be in this database. As far as I know neither player was of master class but if you've ever seen the final position you would understand why the game should be more widely known. Also I imagine <chessgames.com> do screen the games that are sent into them and instruction number 3 says that one of the players SHOULD be of master-strength, but that doesn't mean has to be. You're right about this game not fitting the standard. However, I think rules are meant to guide and not enslave. Someone must have thought this game had value so it's in here.
Feb-15-04  aragorn69: <Benzol> Ive looked at the game u mentioned, thx. Though one of the players is obviously an absolute patzer, the final position IS a funny picture. So it could deserves AS SUCH to remain in the database.

My point in the present instance, however, is that this game (i.e. the game on this page) fits no criteria whatever, neither of quality, nor of beauty, instructiveness or historical relevance. As for opening encyclopedia purposes - like I already said -, it is even counter-productive. So why should it stay ??

Mar-16-04  RonB52734: To be fair, the database also includes Adow vs Borissow, 1889 , so doesn't that even out the statistics?
Mar-16-04  suenteus po 147: Based on what marcus13 and aragorn69 have posted, I have a question for everybody: Has anyone ever posted a game of their own that went really well, with few errors and lots of combinations and tactics? Afterall, I've never heard of some players that only have one game in a database, and their ELO is not listed. How do we know it isn't some online yahoo chess game that a kibitzer was really proud of?
Mar-16-04
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  Benzol: <suenteus po 147> An idea similar to the question you've asked was proposed by <lost emperor>. He suggested that the kibitzers send in games they had played to <chessgames.com> and the best ones could be shown as a sub-database. <chessgames.com> as far as I know are still considering this idea. There is at least one kibitzer whose standard of play warrants his games being shown and that is <Honza Cervenka>. In fact a couple of his games are in the database already. See Jan Cervenka

For myself I try to make sure that the games that I post fall within the guidelines perscribed. However, in some cases this isn't always possible. I hope that most kibitzers would have the integrity not to let their ego get the better of their common sense. My game against GM Drazen Sermek in a similtaneous exhibition is one I'm quiet proud of (the result was a draw) but so far I have resisted the temptation to post it. However, if others wished to see it that might be a different matter. In answer to your last question I guess we really just don't know.

Mar-17-04  RonB52734: It seems to me there are different uses for the database, and without more complete ratings data and more sensitive search capabilities, we can't accomplish all at once. First, I like to look through the database to see how top players have played from a position where I feel I went wrong in one of my games. If I could limit my search to players above a certain rating, I wouldn't care who put games in the database -- the more the merrier. But second, I think any reasonably-soundly-played game that is annotated has value. But that certainly would include games where white blundered on move 4 and then recovered well, and having that game in this database would detract from my first goal. Maybe, without greater search functionality here, what we need is two databases.
Mar-18-04  Lawrence: Anybody who doesn't like these short blunder-games just has to put "Number of moves is", choose <=at least, and enter a number, 12 or 15 or 22 or whatever you like.

<RonB>, have you got a copy of Junior or Fritz or Shredder etc.? They'll analyze 99% of your positions for you better than 99% of the players on this database.

Mar-18-04  AdrianP: <Benzol> <My game against GM Drazen Sermek in a similtaneous exhibition is one I'm quiet proud of (the result was a draw) but so far I have resisted the temptation to post it. However, if others wished to see it that might be a different matter.>

I'd like to see it! Maybe post the moves on Sermek's page, to avoid 'contaminating the statistics!'.

Mar-18-04
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  Benzol: <AdrianP> Adrian I've posted the game on Sermek's page for you to have a look at.
Mar-19-04  RonB52734: <Lawrence> Number of moves is a good suggestion. And no, I don't have any of the modern programs, although what I've been reading here has me very interested. I do have a copy of Microsoft Chess that came free with one of my computers, and its ok, but lacks some functionality. Anybody familiar with it? Thanks for the suggestions, Lawrence! They are both good ones.
Mar-19-04  RonB52734: <Benzol> could you put a link here? I'd like to see it too.
Mar-19-04
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  Benzol: <RonB> Drazen Sermek
Jun-20-05  Heavy Metal Thunder: Top! Absolutely classic!
Oct-12-05  Averageguy: Could this have been inspired by the Fischer-Spassky match?
Nov-07-05  DeepBlade: Whatta?? This is just an Fool's Mate!!
Just look at Black,I estimate its playing strength to be that of a turnip.
Jan-17-09  WhiteRook48: This isn't Fool's Mate, it's Scholar's Mate!
Oct-16-10  kevins55555: This isn't Scholar's mate it's none of the following! a five move #.
Apr-02-11
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  FSR: 4...Nd4 was inaccurate.
May-28-11
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  GrahamClayton: 4...f5 5. exf5 ♘d4 6. ♕d5 ♕e7 is the correct move order. White's Queen is starting to run out of safe squares.
Oct-09-11
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  whiteshark: <Sorry, there are no games similar to this one in the database.> We really appreciate that! :D
Apr-11-12  kontoleon: napoleodio! pff
Oct-09-12  Abdel Irada: Of course this game belongs in the database. It is a very instructive example of the Scholar's Mate Deferred.
Oct-20-13  celtrusco: The first player is clearly of attack, very impulsive, the second a classic orthodox. The clash of two conflicting ideologies, two irreconcilable styles, the scorpion against the spider, and ... won the scorpion, as the spider's eight eyes were not enough to see the dangers that loomed on f7, and its unfortunate King .
Oct-20-13  celtrusco: At the Open tournament of Mar del Plata,in the first round can play a child of ten years against Karpov, ... or against another child of ten years old, I think it's probably something like happened. The second one. Almost certainly.
May-01-14  GumboGambit: According to Rybka, 4..Nd4 is Loef-able.
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