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Kaido Kulaots vs Jakov Geller
Aeroflot Open (2002), Moscow RUS, rd 5, Feb-07
Scotch Game: Steinitz Variation (C45)  ·  1-0

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Sep-02-07  timhortons: id seen these game in the database of chessmaster 10th edition...and id find it funny for a master to fell these way
Nov-24-08  nthan: Don't play chess Geller..go and play backgammon...
Nov-27-09  InspiredByMorphy: I used to think 6. ...Nxd4 was the move but 6. ...d6 is better.
Sep-23-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: I wouldn't say that simplifying on Move 6 immediately gives Black full equality, because White has some tempi, in part due to pressure on c7. But I also don't see a plan to give White a major edge ...
Dec-13-16  lost in space: 8. g4 and Black can resign as losing a piece minimum
Dec-13-16  Cheapo by the Dozen: I spent longer than I should have trying and failing to find ways to cut communication along the 5th rank ... rather than chasing Black's queen off the rank altogether.

Well, I did solve it in the end. :)

Dec-13-16  leRevenant: I too solved it in the end. :)
Dec-13-16
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  agb2002: The material is identical.

Black threatens Bxe3.

The black queen protects the dsb from the only available and safe square on the fourth rank. Therefore, 8.g4, winning a bishop for a pawn at least.

Dec-13-16  YouRang: Tuesday 8.?


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Simple enough: Black's Bc5 is attacked by my Be3, but it's guarded by the black queen over on h5. Can I deflect the queen off the 5th rank? Sure: <8.g4>


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Between the Nf3 and the Pe4, the queen has no vacancy on the 5th rank, and white's next move is 9.Bxc5.

Dec-13-16  saturn2: g4 deflects the queen from the protection of the Bc5. This would not have happened to Efim.
Dec-13-16  AlicesKnight: Too much early effort looking for the "big" move. But then saw the simple 8.g4 and a piece is won.
Dec-13-16
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  Once: It's a case of PPP - piece protects piece.

We are attacking the black Bc5 which in turn is protected by the black Qh5. PPP. That ought to get us looking for ways to distract the protecting piece.

It helps that white's well developed pieces have landmined most of the territory along the fifth rank.

Dec-13-16  mel gibson: The golden rule:
try not to move your Queen out at the start of the game.
Dec-13-16  Ratt Boy: I see that this was apparently a Monday puzzle, several years back. Here's my question: Isn't 7.♘f5 even stronger, as it's one move quicker and doesn't require giving up a ♙?
Dec-13-16  Stanley Yee: <SickedChess> From Fide.com 4151984 Geller, Jakov GM RUS 2505 2564 2522 14 1986 M
Dec-13-16
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  Once: <Ratt Boy: ... Isn't 7.♘f5 even stronger, as it's one move quicker and doesn't require giving up a ♙?>


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Unfortunately, 7. Nf5 allows black to capture a minor piece with 7...Nxf5:


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Now black is a piece up and his queen isn't attacked. White can grab either the Bc5 or the Nf5 to equalise material, but because the black queen isn't attacked black has time to retreat the other attacked piece.

I'm afraid 7. Nf3 is the only way to set up the win of a piece.

Dec-13-16  YouRang: <mel gibson: The golden rule: try not to move your Queen out at the start of the game.>

Adjunct to golden rule:
...and for darn sure don't let it be the only defender of other attacked pieces.

Dec-13-16  mel gibson: < Dec-13-16
Premium Chessgames Member YouRang: <mel gibson: The golden rule: try not to move your Queen out at the start of the game.>

Adjunct to golden rule:
...and for darn sure don't let it be the only defender of other attacked pieces.>

That's for sure.

Dec-13-16  mel gibson: If you move your Queen out at the start of the game it will be attacked - you'll have to move it while the opponent keeps developing their pieces & takes control of the board.
Dec-13-16
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  ChessHigherCat: I lost 40 seconds or so looking for some move that would block the Q from the hanging bishop or allow some killer follow-up, but Ng5 or Ne5 didn't seem to work. Then I kicked myself and saw the simple deflection with pawn g4.
Dec-13-16
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  Bubo bubo: The black queen has to guard the Bc5; therefore White wins a piece just by luring her away: 8.g4!
Dec-13-16
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  thegoodanarchist: Kaida-scope
Dec-13-16  BishopofBlunder: So simple I missed it.
Dec-13-16
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  swordfish: Hard to believe a GM rated nearly 2500 would lose this way, but then I noticed the game was played back in 2002.
May-06-19
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  GrahamClayton: Another quick loss for Black in the Scotch after an early Queen move:

P Frazer vs Taubenhaus, 1888

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