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Jacques Mieses vs Johannes Wilhelm Ohquist
"You Don't Know Jacques" (game of the day Jul-01-2011)
Nuremberg (1895), Nuremberg GER
Scandinavian Defense: Ilundain Variation (B01)  ·  1-0



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  Domdaniel: Hmmm. So your ideal relationship with the female sex involves *ownership*, eh, <Once>? A trophy? Your very 'own laydee'?

An, uh, *doll* might be cheaper.

Me, I feel a frisson of *pity* for musclebound oafs in Ferraris with pendant 'blonde', but it rarely lasts long.

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  maxi: <Once> That was pretty ff, I laughed my ass off.

I'll let you keep the Ferrari. But I will drive into the sunset with the blond at my side.

Jul-01-11  Shams: <Dom><Me, I feel a frisson of *pity* for musclebound oafs in Ferraris with pendant 'blonde', but it rarely lasts long>

You'd really envy us if you got to know us.

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  Once: <Once> upon a time I would look at a musclebound oaf in a Ferrari and think "one day, that will be me."

A little later in life, I looked again and said "that should have been me".

A little later still, I looked at said: "One day that might be my son."

Who knows? In a few years time, I might end up saying "that should have been my son..."

And the laydee? About as realistic a fantasy as me owning a ferrari. And probably not a bad thing either.

Jul-01-11  SirChrislov: that's the way you do it jakes. money for nothin. and your chicks for free.
Jul-01-11  Shams: <Domdaniel><An, uh, *doll* might be cheaper.>

Please tell me you reviewed "Cherry 2000", back in the day.

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  FSR: < Domdaniel: Hmmm. So your ideal relationship with the female sex involves *ownership*, eh, <Once>? A trophy? Your very 'own laydee'? An, uh, *doll* might be cheaper.>

"Lars and the Real Girl" was actually a documentary about Once.

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  FSR: This trap is strikingly similar to that in D Genz vs D Boehmer, 1985 - which I have pulled off more than once in Internet blitz games.
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  maxi: There are many good things to be said about dolls. They are not at the phone all the time with their moms. They don't mind it if you sometimes miss a shower. They don't expect presents for birthdays and if they get one they don't make comments like "It won't fit" or "That's for older women than me", or the like. They don't ask you to go with them to obnoxious places. Etc. Choose the doll.
Jul-01-11  Shams: "It is men, not women, who like to play with dolls." -- Helene Cixous
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  maxi: <FSR> Yes, the trap is more likely to occur with this order of moves.
Jul-01-11  lemaire90: Interesting trap that I didn't know. Apparently 9. ... Qc7 was a blunder, a6 leads to a crazy line where white regains the queen plus the d1 bishop.
Jul-01-11  WhiteRook48: ... people fall into this trap quite often
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  Penguincw: Amazing. A black bishop grabbing the white queen on d1, but white wins, by mating, and never getting the queen back!
Feb-04-15  MariusDaniel: Jacques Mieses'famous game--Interesting game--Ohquist's chessmoves 9.Qc7 and Kd8 were extremely funny-dubious,he even got checkmated by the deadly knight!now that is funny.
Apr-02-15  diagonalley: sublime!
Apr-02-15  MindCtrol9: I saw really quick the move.It is not hard to see it in this game.
Apr-02-15  stst: Too early in the game, no immediate mating combo in sight. Next to look for some material / positional advantage...

One initial line:

7.Qd4 (if f6, then NxN PxN, QxP & White got extra P) Bxf3 8.Qxd5 Bg4 (try to keep the B)
9.Bf4 (eyeing c7 for attack) Rc8
10.f3 Bd7
11.0-0-0 f6
12.Qe3 .... etc

will explore other lines, incl. the tempo gaining 7.Bb5+....

Apr-02-15  lost in space: Nice little tactic. Good to know.
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  patzer2: Here's a breakout with Deep Fritz 14 and the Opening Explorer:

<1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd8 4. d4 Nc6?!> This can't be good for Black. Better here is the popular move 4...Nf6 as in Black's win in Caruana vs Carlsen, 2014.

<5. Nf3 Bg4?> The beginning of Black's demise. Better here is 5...e6 6. Bb5 .

<6. d5 Ne5?> The clear losing move. Putting up more resistance is 6... Bxf3 7. Qxf3 Nd4 8. Qc3 c5 9. Be3 to .

<7. Nxe5 Bxd1 8. Bb5+ c6>

If 8... Qd7, then White wins after 9. Bxd7+ Kd8 10. Nxf7+ Kxd7 11. Kxd1 g6 12. Nxh8 Bg7 13. Nf7 Rf8 14. Ng5 Rxf2 15. Rg1 Bd4 16. Ne6 Bxc3 17. bxc3 Nf6 18. c4 Ne4 19. Be3 Rf5 20. Ke2 .

<9. dxc6 Qc7>

If 9... bxc6, then White wins after 10. Bxc6+ Qd7 11. Bxd7+ Kd8 12. Bc6 Rc8 13. Bf4 Rxc6 14. Rxd1+ Rd6 15. Nxf7+ Ke8 16. Nxh8 .

<10. cxb7+ Kd8>

If 10... Qd7, then 11. bxa8=Q#

If 10... Qc6, then 11. bxa8=Q#

<11. Nxf7# 1-0>

Apr-02-15  morfishine: No way White Mieses this tactic: <7.Nxe5> and all Black can do is bumble along, hemorrhaging material while falling inexorably into a lost position

7...Bxd1 8.Bb5+ c6 9.dxc6 e6 10.c7+ Ke7
11.cxd8=Q+ Rxd8 12.Nxd1

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Down two pieces, Black can resign

More like a Tuesday puzzle, but I'm not complaining!


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  agb2002: The material is identical.

White can make the most of its development advantage with 7.Nxe5 Bxd1 (else drops a knight) 8.Bb5+:

A) 8... c6 9.dxc6 (threatens 10.c7+ Qd7 11.Bxd7#)

A.1) 9... Qc7 10.cxb7+ is a massacre (10... Kd8 11.Nxf7#).

A.2) 9... bxc6 10.Bxc6+ Qd7 11.Bxd7+ Kd8 12.Nxf7+ Kxd7 13.Nxd1 Ke8 14.Nxh8 + - [R+N+2P].

A.3) 9... e6 10.c7+ Ke7 11.cxd8=Q+ Rxd8 12.Nxd1 + - [N].

A.4) 9... a6 10.c7+ axb5 11.cxd8=Q+ Rxd8 12.Nxd1 + - [N].

A.5) 9... Qd6 10.cxb7+ followed by 11.bxa8=Q+ wins.

B) 8... Qd7 9.Bxd7+ Kd8 10.Nxf7+ Kxd7 11.Nxd1 Ke8 12.Nxh8 + - [R+N+P].

Apr-02-15  wooden nickel: The mate at the end tops it all!
...reminds me of this game:
C M Saulson vs H Phillips, 1907
Apr-02-15  zb2cr: Another line is 9. ... a6; 10. c7+, axb6; 11. cxd8=Q+, Rxd8; 12. Nxd1. White winds up a piece ahead.
Apr-02-15  CHESSTTCAMPS: In this opening trap position, black has left the king open to pursue a pin that is a mirage. Similarly to the Legal's Mate trap, white can take the foolhardy knight:

7.Nxe5! Bxd1 8.Bb5+ c6 (Qd7? 9.Bxd7+ Kd8 10.Nxd1 is simplest) 9.dc a6 (otherwise c7+ can force mate) 10.c7+ axb5 11.cxd8=Q Rxd8 12.Nxd1 and white is a minor piece up.

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