|Apr-21-04|| ||Hidden Skillz: very sharp attack.. |
|Apr-21-04|| ||Chessical: Was Black actually winning when he resigned?
<12.Qf5> axb6 13.Nc7+ Kd8 14.Nxa8 Qxa2 15.Qxg4 cxb5 16.Nxb6 Qa1+ 17.Kd2 Qa5+ 18.Kc1 Qxb6
|Apr-21-04|| ||Benjamin Lau: Chesssical, doesn't 12.Qf5 axb6 13.Nc7+ Kd8 14.Nxa8 Qxa2 15. Qxg4 allow for 15...Qa1+ 16. Kd2 Qa5+ and black wins at least the white queen? |
|Apr-21-04|| ||Benjamin Lau: After looking at it further, I must admit I should have been less myopic. It seems you already saw the idea earlier but implemented it later than me, maybe my choice to do it immediately was tactically wrong, I'll go check later. |
|Apr-21-04|| ||Benjamin Lau: Okay, some thoughts:
12.Qf5 axb6 13.Nc7+ Kd8 14.Nxa8 Qxa8 15. Qxb6+ Ke8 16. Bc4 seems like only a small advantage for white since he is somewhat less in material, but has pressure on black.
12.Qf5 axb6 13.Nc7+ Kd8 14.Nxa8 cxb5 15. Qxg4 Qxa8 doesn't look too bad for black.
In short, I think your mainline seems to lead to the most advantage black can achieve.
12.Qf5 axb6 13.Nc7+ Kd8 14.Nxa8 Qxa2 as you pointed out earlier seems very good for black, almost definitely winning. Amazing that such a seemingly strong position can be refuted.
I made an error in my earliest analysis. When I suggested that 16...Qa5+ wins the white queen, I did not notice 17. b4 (nor the fact that the king could still move!) ;) After seeing your analysis, I know I have to take up correspondence to become a semi-decent player. I've been playing too much blitz and I bet there are a couple errors above. ;)
|Nov-19-04|| ||tacticsjokerxxx: What's this trap called again? |
|Nov-19-04|| ||sneaky pete: <tacticsjokerxxx> I'm not sure what you mean by <this trap>, but the opening is called the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit.|
Black is completely lost after 9 moves. Instead of the cumbersome 10.Bb5+ .. the elegant 10.Qe1! .. wins on the spot. The 1916 Bilguer gives this game up to 10.Bb5+ c6 11.Bb6! .. . There is no indication that 11... Bd7 12.Qf5? .. was actually played. After 11... Bd7 12.Qf4! axb6 13.Qc7 .. white is still winning.
|Nov-19-04|| ||Willem Wallekers: <the elegant 10.Qe1! .. wins on the spot.>
Like in wednesday's puzzle!
Yermolinsky vs E Tate, 2001
|Jul-26-05|| ||isolatedpawn: Guys what about <12.Qf5> Qxb6 13.Nxb6 Bxf5. Looks Black is OK after this as he will have a spare move to make room for his King!!|
|Sep-20-05|| ||Sneaky: Pun of the day: "Easy Ryder"|
|Dec-26-05|| ||elahevad: Yes! 10. Qe1 is very elegant, and a major improvement over Ryder's choice. However, I can see why black resigned. Not because black was losing, black was indeed actually winning. But most players, presented with a brazen hung queen and seeing that to take it is death, nothing in the center, and their own queen shunted to the side, would resign. I think in 99 out of a 100 positions for which my description holds true, black is dead dead dead. Poor NN just didn't see that this was the exception to the rule!|
|Aug-11-06|| ||Chess Lou Zer: Now come on! This is a beautiful puzzle!|
|Aug-11-06|| ||InspiredByMorphy: positions after chessicals analysis above:
<12.Qf5> axb6 13.Nc7+ Kd8 14.Nxa8 Qxa2 15.Qxg4 cxb5
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16.Nxb6 Qa1+ 17.Kd2 Qa5+ 18.Kc1 Qxb6
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indeed black is winning.
|May-31-11|| ||Whitehat1963: Wow! Winona seems to have quite the aggressive chess temperment. Really steals this one right out of the opening.|
|Aug-16-13|| ||FSR: Ryder's on the Storm.|
|Sep-27-14|| ||MissScarlett: <Ryder Coup>|
|Sep-29-14|| ||Kampai: heavy sac|
|Sep-29-14|| ||whiteshark: Tomb Ryder: The cradle of chess|
|Sep-29-14|| ||kyg16: A new FSR pun??|
|Sep-29-14|| ||YetAnotherAmateur: Poor NN got simply intimidated into resigning. As others have pointed out, axb6 leaves black in pretty good shape. White is actually over-extended in this position, and very vulnerable to counterplay.|
The other candidate I would at least be thinking about is e6 - that cuts off the queen's line of attack to d7, and maintains material equality should white decide on Bxa5.
I'd almost wonder whether this was an honest game score, or whether Ryder (whoever he/she is - it's not Winona, since the game was 1899) made this game up to impress somebody.
|Sep-29-14|| ||whiteshark: <sneaky pete> is right!
According to Emil Joseph Diemer, in his only book (solely on the Ryder's Attack): Vom Ersten Zug an auf Matt!, p15.|
this game has been played at the Leipzig Chess Club "Augustea" and it is mentionend in a Bilguer footnote, which contains only 11 moves for the game.
|Sep-29-14|| ||kevin86: So sad of NN, he resigned with an advantage...|
|Sep-29-14|| ||FSR: <kyg16: A new FSR pun??>|
Yup, No. 72. Game Collection: Puns I submitted
|Sep-29-14|| ||Penguincw: Wow. In the final position, 4 (2 bishops, a knight and queen) are being hit (not to mention the threat of ...Nf2, forking both rooks), yet black resigned. However, if I were black, I'd keep playing.|