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|Aug-14-04|| ||Zenchess: I had all 6 of my engines do blitz shootouts from the final position and 4 of them were able to draw with Black. Black can draw by penetrating White's position, picking off some pawns, and creating a passer or forcing a perpetual. White may be better here, but he has a lot more trouble coordinating his pieces than Black does. |
|Aug-15-04|| ||Lawrence: Ah, the thraldom of only having 6 engines. Did you say blitz? |
|Aug-16-04|| ||Zenchess: Yeah, I said blitz. I also had Chess Tiger do longer analysis; the best it could do for White was +1.00. |
|Aug-16-04|| ||Lawrence: <Zenchess>, Junior 8 can't find even that, and after a 25 min. chew gives|
15.0-0 Bd6 eval -0.10 i.e. equality
|Aug-17-04|| ||Zenchess: I don't have Junior, but I'd like to. None of my engines ventured into this line, but Junior must be a cold-blooded defender. |
|Feb-22-06|| ||Whitehat1963: Fun little puzzle after 8...Bb7. Enjoy.|
|Feb-22-06|| ||Whitehat1963: What about 10...Bd5?|
|Feb-23-06|| ||Whitehat1963: Come to think of it, what about: 10...Nd5
11. Bxd5 Bxd6
12. Nxf7 Qb8 (Qc8? 13. Bxb7)
|May-11-07|| ||jellyace: 10. ... Bd5 loses two pieces after 11. Bxd5 Nxd5 12. Qxd5.|
On 10. ... Nd5, 11. Qxd7+ Qxd7 12. Nxd7 Kxd7 equalizes. White cannot afford R+N vs Q because he is badly behind in development and will lose a lot of pawns by the endgame.
|Oct-25-07|| ||GSankarN: Why did Meyer have to resign?|
|Oct-25-07|| ||Karpova: <GSankarN: Why did Meyer have to resign?>|
After 10.Qxd6 black is down a piece and white threatens checkmate (that's why black can't take the queen: 10...cxd6 11.Bxf7#)
|May-10-08|| ||egarcillan: maybe white lose after Nd5!! white queenless|
|Mar-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: <egarcillian>
after 10 Qxd6 Nd5 11 Qxd5 Bxd5 12 Bxd5 white has two knights and a bishop for the queen
|Nov-25-09|| ||PinName: As a casual player, I'm sure I'm missing something, but why not 10...Qc8?|
|Nov-25-09|| ||Chessical: <Pinname> After <10...Qc8> 11. Bxf7+ Kd8 12. Qd3 White is a Knight up with no problems.|
|Dec-08-09|| ||PinName: I guess. Black can still pick off the g-pawn. It just seems a little early to throw in the towel.|
|Feb-18-10|| ||estebansponton: black has not to resign. Interestin position before 10... Nd5 11 Qxd5 Bxd5 12 Bxd5 Bb4+ !? 13 c3 0-0 with advantage for white but the position is no clair|
|Feb-29-12|| ||Kartagener: what if
11. Qxd7 Qxd7
12. Nxd7 Kxd7
Isnīt the game equal then ?
|Feb-29-12|| ||maxi: <Kartagener> Yes, it would seem so to me. But, in practice and especially against a player that is playing the position for the first time, Black's position is difficult to play, even if it is not inferior...|
|Mar-02-13|| ||Whitehat1963: Congratulations!|
|Feb-06-16|| ||TheFocus: "J.R. Capablanca proved to be the winner in the rapid transit tournament at the Manhattan Chess Club, on March 5, sixteen players having entered the competition which was conducted under a time limit of twenty seconds a move. L.B. Meyer took the second prize. The latter lost to Capablanca in the final round in the following curious fashion: Ruy Lopez 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.d4 Nxe4 6.d5 Ne7 7.Nxe5 b5 8.Bb3 Bb7 9.d6 Nxd6 10.Qxd6 threatening mate by Bxf7+. Meyer, who was Black, resigned here, overlooking the fact that he still had a fighting chance by playing ...Nd5, intercepting the Bishop and disclosing on the Queen. In this case, Capablanca either would have had to play Qxd5+ and return the piece or exchange his Queen for three pieces," - <American Chess Bulletin>, June 1908, pg. 117.|
|Jun-27-17|| ||bla bla: very niceeeeee combinatioooon|
|Nov-25-17|| ||tpstar: <Meyer, who was Black, resigned here, overlooking the fact that he still had a fighting chance by playing 10 ... Nd5, intercepting the Bishop and disclosing on the Queen. In this case, Capablanca either would have had to play Qxd5+ and return the piece or exchange his Queen for three pieces>|
So they found it in 1908!
This miniature is now around with different names.
|Nov-25-17|| ||MissScarlett: < In this case, Capablanca either would have had to play Qxd5+ and return the piece or exchange his Queen for three pieces," - <American Chess Bulletin>, June 1908, pg. 117.>|
I was about to write that this is incorrect, when I thought I'd better check the original source. Turns out <TheFocus> and not the <ACB> was in the wrong - they have <QxQPch>, i.e., Qxd7+, not Qxd5+.
|Sep-10-18|| ||romancitog: Black certainly need not resign in this position. I don't see how black didn't notice Nd5 as this move should have been relatively easy to find and would make the position more or less equal.|
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