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Benavides vs Giovanni Saduleto
Unknown (1590), ?
King's Gambit: Accepted. Salvio Gambit (C37)  ·  1-0



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Dec-11-02  refutor: where's the win?
Jan-22-04  d4Nf6Bg5: Yeah- Where is the win?? I guess it was time trouble...although this is an old game. I don't think there is a win here- chessmaster analysis has given: 11...Nc6 12.c3 Bd7 13.Nh5 Bf8 14.Nf4 Bg7 (0.00 2:57seconds) Quicker analysis has given lines in blacks favor. It seems the best white can do in this position is a draw.
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  technical draw: Yes, it was time trouble. The sand ran all the way down to the bottom!
Jan-22-04  TrueFiendish: Maybe black's quill became blunt (or he spilled his ink while reaching for his c-pawn), so he was unable to record the moves and the arbiter had to step in. It's happened before.
Jan-22-04  TrueFiendish: And his opponent refused all requests for the loan of a fresh quill or a dab of ink. "Neither a lender nor a borrower be," he was heard to say. Chess players have always been petty.

I digress.

Jan-31-04  blunder maker: I think White's position was better.
Oct-12-04  InspiredByMorphy: Great game so far. Too bad the rest of the game is gone. The position looks fairly equal with a slight advantage to white.
Mar-08-05  Jaymthegenius: I say black should win this, he has more space.
Apr-02-05  Karpova: <jaym: I say black should win this, he has more space.>

why don't you give some analysis to prove that black should win this?

<he has more space> a typical comment from yours...

Apr-14-05  Jaymthegenius: Black's bishop is on the strongest diagonal, and has a pawn on d6! Not to mention a passed pawn.

I would play 11...Nc6 12.Nc3 13.Be6,Nxe6 14.fxe6,Bf4 with an advantage for black

Apr-14-05  Jaymthegenius: But the immediate 3...d6! And I need no further comment.
Apr-14-05  sneaky pete: I hesitate to post this, as the genius needs no further comment, but after 11... Nc6 12.c3 .. (I don't believe the genius really meant 12.Nc3??) 12... Be6?? there might follow 13.d5 Ne5 14.dxe6 Nxc4 15.Qa4+ .. .

The game (from Murray's "Collection of European Games") is incomplete, not only are the remaining moves unknown, the result is as well.

Apr-14-05  Rocafella: This is quite a nice game but I dont like the fact that the match was decided by time
Apr-14-05  Jaymthegenius: Nice for a begginer game! No modern master would play this badly. I would easily defeat Benavides, no problem.
Dec-30-05  Karpova: <Jaymthegenius: I would easily defeat Benavides, no problem.>

maybe, but why the heck should he play you (if he could)??

Dec-22-06  Rubenus: In 1590 there were no clocks! Does no one here understand that the rest of the game is unknown?! That happened very often in games before 1800.
Sep-19-07  wolfmaster: <d4Nf6Bg5> Fan of the Trompowsky?
Oct-08-08  just a kid: <wolfmaster>Read their bio.
Apr-02-10  atakantmac: I think Saduleto(black)had a phone call and resigned
Apr-11-17  Gurn: Interesting position. Many, many, possibilities. As important as winning is making best choices in any given position or situation ranks higher---assures better chance of winning--- among those striving for improvement---to become better. I continue to view with wonder how distractions or lack thereof fells the mighty and the would be mighty. I win when I play and when I help my opponent become a better player by word and example---making the better moves. But I'm just a student of the game.
Apr-13-17  Yigor: 2...exf4 [KGA, -0.29] 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 [-0.44] g4 [-0.22] 5. Ne5 [Salvio Gambit, -0.22] Qh4 6. Kf1 Nh6 7. d4 d6 [Salvio Gambit: Silberschmidt Defense: Anderssen Counterattack, -0.18] 8. Nd3 f3 9. g3 [-0.80] Qe7[-0.15] 10. Kf2 [-0.52]

PSCC: 2EFe (KG) --> 6Fe3f*2E (KGA) --> 6Fe3f*2Eg --> 6Fe3f*g2E (Salvio gambit).

Apr-26-17  Yigor: Salvio gambit: Silberschmidt defense: Anderssen counterattack: 9. g3 is an inaccuracy, the correct move is 9. Nf4!
Apr-27-17  Yigor: 9...Qe7?! is also an inaccuracy, the correct move is 9...Qf6.

The next similar game is #31 Greco-NN (1620).

Sep-23-18  Yigor: I said earlier that 9. g3 is an inaccuracy but it's rather suboptimal. The best 9th move for white: 9. Nf4 or 9. Nc3.

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