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|Oct-22-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: I love a game that is so close instead of it being over when you are promoting a pawn, it is just the beginning of a second act.|
|Jan-08-15|| ||GoldenBird: Eww 11...Qxe4|
|Jan-08-15|| ||Rookiepawn: <"After the game Kasparov shocked many people on the MSN forum, which was kept open after multiple requests, by announcing he had been reading the World Team strategy board during the game">|
A real blunder by GK. He could have tried to make it fair, who would vote for someone who does this?
|Apr-21-15|| ||Xonatron: Curious:
After 49. Kg6 there are only 7 pieces left. What do the 7-piece endgame databases say? Anyone with access to them?
After 55. Qb4 there are only 6 pieces left, mate in 82 moves.
|Apr-21-15|| ||Xonatron: Also, see my previous comment, Kasparov plays perfectly each move once it is down to 6 pieces, and the world does not. Amazing really.|
|Oct-09-15|| ||The Kings Domain: Good play by both sides, Kasparov was just one step ahead.|
|Oct-09-15|| ||john barleycorn: yes, there are a few points. <Rookiepawn> mentioned one.|
|Oct-29-15|| ||Kinghunt: Just looked over this game again with some help from Komodo, and all I'm going to say is that the lizard is not impressed with the quality of play from either side. What a difference 16 years makes!|
|Oct-29-15|| ||Kinghunt: <Xonatron: Curious:
After 49. Kg6 there are only 7 pieces left. What do the 7-piece endgame databases say? Anyone with access to them?>
It is a tablebase draw. 54...b4 is the losing move, changing it from a draw to a mate in 83 (as any six piece tablebase can tell you).
Kasparov appears to have missed an earlier forced win with 38. Rd1! His move allowed The World to reach a drawn queen ending, albeit one beyond their skill to hold.
|Dec-09-15|| ||rwbean: I got an m4.10xlarge instance on Amazon EC2 (Stockfish 6, 128 GB hash, 40 e5-2676 v3 cores, 5 piece tablebases) and spent another month looking at it - analysis at elvumgar.fea.st.|
Similar conclusions to last time - 18... ♗d4 is a clear draw, 21 ... f4 is better, it prefers 26... ♗c5 to 26... f4 because of 27. h4, there were better moves in 15... b5, 29... b4, 34... ♗h8, 35... ♘e5, and 36... ♗c3 (the only move!) ... 38. ♖d1 wins (the only move) ... and 53. ♕e4 also just appears to only draw. It took 54 ... b4 to finally lose.
|Jan-03-16|| ||Hawkman: This game was set 3 years after Garry's first loss to Deep Blue and the World team could have made their strategies private. Anyone who thinks Garry did anything wrong is very naive and should not go into business.|
|Apr-01-16|| ||QueensideCastler: After 50...d1Q it's draw according Lomonosov Tablebases. |
"The World" blundered with 54...b4 | After 55. Qxb4 white mates in 83.
54...Qd3 is the correct move.
|Aug-23-16|| ||karrer1: The public facade of 4 young chess advisors—one in Germany, one in France, young Felecan who played a very small role, and one in NYC who was promoted as “America’s new chess queen”—did not make it because these 4 advisors were not in close coordination to one another. Thus arose Khalifman’s chess school at Saint Petersburg as the coordinating point behind the scenes opposing Kasparov and covertly feeding their moves to the young chess advisor in NYC Thus (except for a small difference at move 15..) “her” recommended moves were followed by World—until move 51….. But the young NYC chess advisor “queen” had by then gone off to play in a tournament abroad; and at a pace of one move/day of the K vs. World game it is hardly surprising that a number of varying factors would enter into this game.
So the public plurality vote went for 51….b5 (34% for 51...Ka1 to 39% for 51…b5,) which greatly surprised Khalifman, his group, and others. But then they regrouped and tried to steer the ending again to their taste, but that wasn’t so easy to do.
Reviewing the game as played, black played 37….e6 and 39….e5, whereas black could have saved a tempo clearly by just playing 37….e5 at once. A tempo! This would have improved black’s position. True, Kasparov as world champion wanted an advantage, more than first move, in this game; that was also Fischer’s notion; and like Fischer, Kasparov not very long after this 1999 game left chess, for—politics!|
|Aug-23-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: The World still seems a bit straggly... both 54... Qd3 or Qd5 would have lead to a draw. But heck no; instead of defending both pawns the World just gives one pawn up for free and loses in a few moves.|
|Aug-24-16|| ||pmukerji: What happens if black plays 45. d5+?...what is White's response?|
|Aug-24-16|| ||OhioChessFan: <pm> 46. Kf5 captures or displaces the Knight and White wins easily.|
|Aug-24-16|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Lol you are not going to tell me there's a move worse than 54... b4|
Obviously someone pulls a joke on mankind. Make it 24/7
|Jun-02-17|| ||Xonatron: Left Stockfish 8 running all night from scratch (no hashtable fill from other moves) after 37...e6.|
It sees 38. Rd1 with a score of +7.20 at a depth of 61/110 in 6hrs:27m:37s:
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61/110 6:27:37 252,227,366k 10,845k +7.20 Rd1 Ke4 Bxd6 Kf5 g6 Bg7 Rg1 b5 Ba3 b4 Bc1 b2 Bd2 Ne7 Rf1+ Ke4 Bxb4 Nf5 Kh2 Ne3 Rb1 Nc4 Kg3 Kd3 Ba3 Nxa3 Rxb2 Bxb2 h6 Bc1 g7 Bxh6 g8Q Be3 Qg6+ Kc3 Kf3 Nc4 Qxe6 Bb6 Ke4 Kb4 Qc6 Ba5 Kd5 Nd2 Qd6+ Kb5 Qd7+ Kb4 Qc6 Ka3 Qd6+ Bb4 Qa6+ Kb3 Kd4 Nf3+ Ke4 Ne1 Qe6+ Kb2 Kd4 Nc2+ Kc4 Be1 Qe4 Kc1 Qd3 Bd2 Qf3 Ne1 Qe4 Nc2 Qe2 Bb4 Qf1+ Kd2 Qf4+ Ke2 Qg4+ Ke3 Qe6+ Kd2 Qd5+ Ke3 Qd3+ Kf4
|Jun-02-17|| ||tea4twonty: what was Black best 36 move? (36...???)|
|Sep-26-18|| ||jdoucette: @tea4twonty 36... e5 draws:
Stockfish 9, 8-core, 4GB hash, 52 hours search, depth 82 (extension 80), 1,670,189,936,000 (1.67 trillion) positions searched, 28,955,002,655 (28 billion) tablebases hits (6-piece position where W/L/D is known).
Score = 0.00 (likely from the tablebases)
37. ... e5 38.Bc1 Ne7 39.Rf7 Ke6 40.Rf6+ Kd7 41.Ba3 b5 42.Rf3 b4 43.Bxb4 b2 44.Rb3 Ke6 45.h6 Kf5 46.Ba3 Kxg5 47.h7 Ng6 48.Bxb2 Kh6 49.Rh3+ Kg7 50.Bc1 Kh8 51.Kg2 Nf8 52.Kf3 Nxh7 53.Ke4 Kg8 54.Kf5 Nf8 55.Rb3 Nd7 56.Rb7 Nc5 57.Rb6 Nd3 58.Rb8+ Kf7 59.Bg5 e4 60.Kxe4 Nc5+ 61.Kf5 d5 62.Rd8 Ne4 63.Bf4 Nf6 64.Bc1 Ke7 65.Rb8 Ne4 66.Rb7+ Kd6 67.Rb3 Kd7 68.Kf4 Ke6 69.Kf3 Be5 70.Ra3 Kf5 71.Ra8 Ng5+ 72.Ke2 Ne6 73.Ba3 d4 74.Kd3 Nf4+ 75.Kd2 Nd5 76.Kd3 Nf4+
|Sep-26-18|| ||jdoucette: @tea4twonty Oops, I meant 37... e5 draws. I didn't realize you were asking about 36... I had assumed you wondered "what move could avoid the killer 38. Rd1", as that was my thought.|
|Jul-08-19|| ||rwbean: Here's my Big Summary up to July 2019 (thanks Stockfish!)|
Black move 37 ... e6 as played should LOSE, 37 ... e5 would DRAW.
White move 38. h6 as played should DRAW, 38. ♖d1 would WIN.
Black move 54 ... b4 as played LOSES, 54 ... ♕d3 or 54 ... ♕d5 would DRAW.
Black move 26 ... f4 as played appears worse than 26 ... ♗c5 - in response, White should have played 27. h4 instead of 27. ♕f7.
Black move 21 ... ♖xa4 as played appears worse than 21 ... f4.
Black move 29 ... ♕c4 as played appears slightly worse than 29 ... b4 - perhaps an "easier" drawing path.
Black move 15 ... ♖a8 as played appears slightly worse than 15 ... b5.
Black can head directly for a clear forced draw by 18 ... ♗d4.
Black has "easier" drawing paths with moves like 34 ... ♗h8, 35 ... ♘e5, and 51 ... ♔a1.
Black MAY have a better move with 19 ... ♕d4.
Different ways to approach the position are 6 ... e5, 16. ♗e3 and 19. ♗d2 - unclear.
|Jul-18-19|| ||rwbean: Oh ... and 25 ... ♘d4 ... that might be better too. Who knows for sure?|
|Aug-17-19|| ||scholes: 54 .. Qd3 or Qd5 was 7 men tb draw
|Sep-04-19|| ||whiteshark: Here's the very extensive <Special Report by Irina Krush, Official MSN Game Analyst>: https://cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/ches...|
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