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Judit Polgar vs Bartlomiej Macieja
MVM Cup (2002), Budapest HUN, rd 8, Aug-22
Russian Game: Classical Attack. Chigorin Variation (C42)  ·  0-1

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Jan-28-04  aragorn69: Kudos to moonlitknight !!!
I hope this well-put castigation of all the "I am so good"-type comments this site is plagued with will have its salutary effect !
Jan-28-04  Almanzor2: The position which we are supposed to solve is just before 22...Rae8. What is so novel about that? Black is already winning! Isn't Black a pawn up? 23.Rd7 is obviously a blunder. So why give us this position at all? Usually the selected position is one in which we are supposed to find a forced win, or the beginning of a great combination, and I do not think that 22...Rae8 is neither. White does not HAVE to play 23.Rd7, so nothing in this is forced at all. Anyhow, quite a mediocre position we have been given to solve.
Jan-28-04  karnak64: Well, Almanzor2, in a large sense you are right. This position isn't all that artistic. But in my case, I'm a mediocre player, and I regularly find myself in mediocre positions (usually self-inflicted). It helps my game to work through positions like these because they are the sort I confront at my level. It helps me make progress, so I'm glad the chessgames.com folks decided to include this. I wouldn't want a position like this all the time; I think the sort you mention in your post should be the norm. But it's nice to occasionally have a crumb like this one fall from the table to us poor hounds who sit below it.
Jan-28-04  bilikidder: <sleepkid> Lol, I did notice your humorous posts on the previous day's puzzle and so I thought you would enjoy seeing the Moonlitknight's post. Sorry unclewalter ;-)
Jan-28-04  Dick Brain: <Almanzor2> The problem is worth solving because it is a refutation of a blunder made by a very strong player. If a super GM misses it, I have to believe that many of us woodpushers would miss it too.
Jan-28-04  Almanzor2: <Karnak64> Thanks, Karnak. You are right. I concur with you and with Dick Brain. It certainly gives us hope when great players mess up, just like we do! God knows I have made worse mistakes than this one! Having said this, there is some merit to the game, because 22...Rae8 emphazises Black's winning position. A master once told me an axiom, which goes something like: "When you are head in pawns, exhange pieces (to get to the endgame quickly) and when you are ahead in pieces, exchange pawns (to open lines for an attack!) so Black's 22nd move is a good solution to the problem. By proposing to exchange White's most active piece, Black underlines White's inferiority. If 23.Re8, Re8 Black is a pawn up AND controls the only open file. At the same time, it is almot inconceivable that a Super GM like Polgar could miss that fork in an open position. Unless, of course, there was time pressure involved, in which case her rationale could be understood, as she might not have wanted to exhange pieces while a pawn down, and the time pressure would explain her oversight.
Jan-28-04
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  patzer2: If 16. Qxb2??, Black wins with 16...Rfb8 17. Qxc6 <17. Qa6 Nxd4 18. cxd4 Bxh2+ 19. Kxh2 Qxa6 > 17...Bxh2+ 18. Kxh2 Qxc6 .
Jan-28-04  yoniker: Sneaky,as far as i know,this move is not regarded as a combination.
Jan-29-04  Almanzor2: Here is a nice link from Chessbase.com for some nice positions that will challenge and stimulate your tactical skills: http://www.chessbase.com/puzzle/tac...
Jan-29-04
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  patzer2: An interesting try for White would have been 21. Bf6!? If Black takes the bait with 21...gxf6, White steals the advantage and the initiative with 22. Rd4!

After 21. Be7, Black maintains a clear and probably winning advantage. Of course it is a slam dunk win for Black after 23. Rd7?? Qa4!

Jan-29-04  Almanzor2: <patzer2> Yes, I think after 21.Bf6 White is better.
Jan-29-04  karnak64: Almanzor2: thanks for the link, a very helpful set of puzzles from real positions.
Jan-29-04  BiLL RobeRTiE: Another line with a queen forking two rooks (in the c3 sicilian, of all places): 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4 g6 5. dxc5 Qxc5 6. Be3 Qc7 7. Bxa7?! Rxa7 8. Qd4. =]
Feb-12-06  The Bloop: This position of the game is described in John Nunn's "Learn Chess Tactics". It's the first example described in his "Forks" chapter.

Nunn points out that "...even this elementary case reveals an important psychological point. A fork is easier to overlook if there is something a little bit out of the ordinary about it. It is not immediately obvious that the white rooks are vulnerable to a fork: they are only undefended because the pawn on d5 interrupts the communication between them. Moreover, one 'prong' of the fork points up the board and the other points down, which often makes a fork harder to see than if both prongs point forwards into the enemy position ."

Oct-30-12
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  whiteshark: 2,453 days later...
Aug-27-18  Fish55: Glad to see an easy Sunday night puzzle.
Aug-27-18  lost in space: Loose pieces drop off!

Nice one.

Aug-27-18
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  andrewjsacks: Reminiscent of Christiansen's winning move against Karpov. Surprise double attack with the Queen.
Aug-27-18  Mayankk: Easy as you like.

I like the new choice of puzzles. Not the usual Queen sac or any other sac for that matter. A quiet fork will do. Thank you.

Aug-27-18
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  agb2002: Black is a pawn up.

White threatens Rc1.

The white rook are defenseless. Hence, 23... Qa4 wins one of them.

Aug-27-18  saturn2: I saw the double attack 23..Qa4
Aug-27-18  yadasampati: If only pawns could move sideways, then white would be out of trouble: 24) d5e5
Aug-27-18
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  Richard Taylor: Nice fork. Quite hard to see. Could be easy to miss but Judit saw it.
Aug-27-18
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  malt: A nice fork will do, 23...Qa4
Aug-27-18
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  Tabanus: No she didn't :) And nor did I. That move is really a spoiler.
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