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Aug-18-05
 | | offramp: "I went to New York and within an hour I'd had my nipples pierced. They did catch the bloke, though." |
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| Aug-18-05 | | markanton: 11 ... Nxf7 seems better to me. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | buRnINGbeNd: <midknightblue> Chessgames never said that Nxf7 was not a mistake, in fact I can't find who did. Paul dorian said something close in that "Nxh7 is not a mistake." He is correct, and that is a main line. It seems odd that Fisher would make such a sacrifice(Nxf7) when there is a simple tactic at hand that guarantees good play. |
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Aug-18-05
 | | Joshka: <Midknightblue> 11.Nf7 is INDEED the move mentioned in the new Donaldson book "A Legend On The Road" It's a 2nd edition and revised. Could it be possible that this move is a mistake? It looks clear to me, what am I missing? |
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| Aug-18-05 | | DanRoss53: Nevermind 11. ♘f7, but 19. ♕g6?; perhaps Fischer was being generous (seeing as this is a simul) and ignoring the winning line 19. ♕h7+ ♔f7 20. ♕xg7+ ♔e8 21. ♗g6+ ♗f7 22. ♖ae1+ ♘e7 23. ♗f6 |
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| Aug-18-05 | | Dres1: if it was Nxh7, then 17...h6 would be impossible |
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| Aug-18-05 | | patzer2: Black's losing blunder was 18...Be6?? After 18...Bf5 19. Qg3 Qg5!  , Black actually has slightly the better of it. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | patzer2: I too find it hard to believe Fischer actually played 11. Nxf7?? since 11...Nxf7  is clearly winning for Black. Of course it was only a simultaneous exhibition, so perhaps Fischer wanted to do something different and didn't mind giving piece odds in a "fun" game. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | Woodpusher: <if it was Nxh7, then 17...h6 would be impossible> Of course, but 17...h6 is one bizarre move. It's as if Black is responding to a threat... but there isn't any. A crazy idea: maybe 16.Qd4 c6 17.Bb2 (threatening mate) f6 was played. I like the idea but a few moves later the game falls apart. I guess maybe it was Nxf7 after all. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | patzer2: The score of this Fischer game really looks fishy. I can't believe Fischer would also have played the weak 19. Qg6?=, overlooking the clearly decisive 19. Qh7+! Kf7 20. Qxg7+ Ke8 21. Bg6+ Bf7 22. Rfe1+ Ne7 23. Bf6  . |
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| Aug-18-05 | | patzer2: Black's final decisive error is 21...Nd5? Instead, 21...Bf7 22. Bb3 Bxb3 23. axb3 = gives Black full equality and excellent drawing chances. After 21...Nd5? 22. Qh7+ , Black doesn't get any more chances as Fischer now has the win well under control. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | belka: I think 14. d6+ just loses the d pawn.
White can pick up the Knight on e7 with the discovery, but the Bishop on c3 just took a piece so it's not winning a piece. Then the pawn fork on e7 is not winning because black just takes the white queen. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | mastrocira: 21)Rxe6 instant victory... |
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| Aug-18-05 | | sneaky pete: <belka> It's 14.d6+ .. given as an improvement by <al wazir> earlier,
not 14.Nxc3? Bxc3 15.d6+ .. etc. |
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Aug-18-05
 | | al wazir: <belka: I think 14. d6+ just loses the d pawn.> How? <White can pick up the Knight on e7 with the discovery, but the Bishop on c3 just took a piece so it's not winning a piece.> You're a move ahead. I'm suggesting 14. d6+ (not 15. d6+) instead of 14. Nxc3. If 14...Kh8, then 15. dxe7, threatening black's B, R, and Q simultaneously. <Then the pawn fork on e7 is not winning because black just takes the white queen.> How? |
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| Aug-18-05 | | RookFile: The whole game seems strange. Bobby plays 11. Nxf7, when he had plausible alternatives: 11. Nxh7, 11. cxd4,
or maybe 11. Ba3
Then his opponent can play 11... Nxf7,
but takes with the king, when he can see clear as day that Qh5 or d6 could happen. But, instead of playing 12. d6+ which wins on the spot for white, Bobby plays 12. Qh5+, allowing 12.... N7f6, with a slight edge for black. Except that black meekly plays 12... Kg8.
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Aug-18-05
| | al wazir: <belka>: If 14. d6+ Kh8 15. dxe7 Bxc3, then 16. exd8(Q) Rxd8 (16...Bxe5 17. Qxf8#) 17. Qxc3. At this point Black's resignation would not be premature.
<Chessgames.com> Fischer could never have played this game. You should delete it from your database. |
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Aug-18-05
 | | kevin86: It felt like Lococo fell behind early and never could catch up;it is like chasing Tony Stewart. Since it was a simultaneous exhibition-maybe Fischer didn't play his dead level best,so if he fell short of perfection,I could see why. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | iron maiden: <kevin86> I think Smoke's more of a late charger, actually. Of course recently he's just been leading from flag to flag. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | AgentRgent: <al wazir: If 14. d6+ Kh8 15. dxe7 Bxc3> At this point 15...Bxc3 is impossible, as Black cannot capture his own pawn. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | AgentRgent: 14. d6+ Kh8 15. dxe7 Qe8 16. exf8=Q+ Qxf8 17. Ba3 Qd8 18. Rd1 seems to be sufficient for white. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | RookFile: I don't know why it is felt that
Lococo fell behind early, when
11.... Nxf7 might have won the game
for him.
Then in the game, after the incorrect 12. Qh5+ by Fischer (12. d6+ should win) 12.. N7g6 is a slight advantage for black, rather than 12... Kg8 |
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| Aug-18-05 | | vinohradska: Check out this score sheet from the same tournament:
http://www.geocities.com/bprice1949...
I wonder what the score sheet from this game looked like? I would guess that "Robert James Fischer vs A Lococo" is dubious at best, and fictional at worst. It just doesn't seem to make sense. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | briiian13: I agree with al wazir. Why didnt Fischer just play 14.d6+ ???
Not only white takes knight on the next move, but either the black queen or rook is going to be captured with check again, and then the black bishop is on a5 is gone too!!!!!!! What the heck is the matter with Fischer??? Is this a game to show that even one of the greatest grandmasters of all time can overlook a totally obvious discovery tactic that even a 1400 can forsee? |
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| Aug-18-05 | | vinohradska: Keep in mind that Fisher was apparently playing ~70 people at the same time. So who knows... |
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