|Oct-08-02|| ||Sneaky: Why 18.b3? The pawn on c4 is guarded. Seems to me Fritz should have played 18.Be2 and develop before the World Champ doubles his rooks and shoves them down its throat.|
Similarly, 22.Ne5 clearly didn't work out so 22.Be2 needs to be considered.
Hats off to Kramnik, in any case. He's been playing some strong chess this match.
|Oct-09-02|| ||drukenknight: Dont you get it yet, Sneaky? the computer is simply apeing blacks moves at that pt. because he knows he has a won game. |
Look at white's 14th move, a king move in response to a king move. Why does it work?
Because white has already a won game.
The game was lost on the 6th move, when black allowed dbl pawns w/ no other compensation.
6...Qxc6 is fine, material is even and white has the ball, should hold.
ANother try believe it or not is 5...Bxf2+
why? because black will get back 2 pts (the e pawn is ISO) AND the white K forced to move.
-1 pt material, but a positional plus (ability to 00/000). Enuf to offset the -1 pt.
So 5....Bxf2+ 6 Kxf2 and black is down -1 but he has the right to castle.
Enuf to save the game. Of course if black is not able to 000, then that compensation will be gone and he will lose. But it should hold.
Probably you will read in a book somewhere that dxc6 is the only way to "Fight for iniative" or "a bold attempt" or something like that.
Good luck with your reading.
|Oct-22-02|| ||mdorothy2006: Ok, my only question is why white would chose 6. Qd2 over 6. f3. He then holds a pawn advantage and builds a chain. The only downside I see is that that would weaken the possible kingside castle. It doesn't hinder the bishops, the same as the pawn structure in the slav. I don't feel I'm good enough to question deep fritz, and I wonder what, if anything, the 'big book of openings' has to say about this. |
|Oct-23-02|| ||Sneaky: I could be wrong, but 6.f3 looks playable, mdorothy. chessgames.com doesn't have a single game with that line, though, so maybe there is a tactical refutation. But why 6.Qd2? One purpose of Qd2 (other than preventing checkmate!) is that it prepares for Qf4 as in this game. And plus, it develops a piece.|
There is analysis of this game here by Ebrahim Al Mannai
Highlight: <19.a3? This further weakens White's queenside structure. Later, Kramnik said that he was sure of the win after this move.>
It can look at billions of positions per second, and the iron-idiot comes up with a "?" move.
|Oct-23-02|| ||drukenknight: I agree, I think f3 is playable, perhaps the computer is operating on general principles here. After all, it sees black has a Q out there, why shouldn't it be keeping up? After all white went first, why should it lag behind? |
In practical terms, sometimes you can get in trouble w/ f3 (or f6) when the Q gives check on h5 and there is a B on like d6, then if you block check with g6 there is a relative pin on the h pawn.
It seems a remote chance but you'd be surprised how often it comes up. The shortest master game on record has a tactical pt. that is based on that, I think.
|Oct-23-02|| ||drukenknight: mdorothy; just for you the shortest master game on record. BTW: a Google search reveals that is a composition and not a real game! The game reveals weakness of g pawn when the f pawn has moved. |
A Gibaud vs F Lazard, 1924
|Oct-24-02|| ||Sneaky: <perhaps the computer is operating on general principles here> I'm certain the computer, on move 6, was just spewing forth the moves its programmed to play. |
|Dec-17-02|| ||Fezzik: Just a quick comment regarding the opening. Kramnik and Fritz followed theory until Kramnik played the awkward ...Be6 in order to trade queens. The resulting position was difficult for Black, but also favored the side that was better able to make long-term plans. Kramnik demonstrated his superiority very nicely! |
|Dec-17-02|| ||Sneaky: I agree with Fezzik. Part of the trick of beating a machine is to pick an opening that favors the planning aspect of chess. However 8...Be6 has been seen before, e.g. Anand vs Shirov, 1997 .
The point is, however, they left the "deep" theory that Fritz was no doubt programmed for, and headed into more strategic waters. |
|Dec-25-02|| ||mj29479: i think the key lies in the fact that kramnik used a weakness of double pawns as a strength throughout the game. |
|Apr-28-03|| ||Shadout Mapes: That's the trick. As in game 1, Kramnik made an inpenetrable fortress which Fritz would have trouble penetrating. He understands the positions far better than Fritz.|
After b3 and a3, the computer's position gradually declined, and after 23.Nf6?, Kramnik easily won a pawn, and the game thereafter.
|Aug-19-04|| ||InspiredByMorphy: What a game by Kramnik. He makes this one look easy. In the opening he takes a higher priority in developing with 8. ... Be6 than having a good pawn structure. |
|Aug-19-04|| ||psalcido: Wow, Deep Fritz chooses a horrible opening, and gives up the center way too easily. by the time 13. ... O-O-O occurs, blacks central control is pretty much complete. The rest of the game is devoted to removing the rest of whites pieces from the center (with 16 ... f5 and 20 ... Nxe3) and white makes a horrible mistake with 23. Nf6, which ultimately loses a trapped pawn on f6. I know that Kramnik would do the same to me, but this is a real whopping. |
|Aug-19-04|| ||fgh: Was 5. Nxc6? a book move? |
|Jul-07-05|| ||flamboyant: i totally agree with InspiredByMorphy, that game seemed easy for Kramnick! no big tactical blow, just a good plan from beginning to end, he outplayed the computer .|
|Nov-30-06|| ||Victor G.: Nice game by Kramnik, a good example that stuck pawns sometimes are better than losing an open attack.|
|Dec-02-06|| ||grand axel: Very Nice Game Kramnik!!!Your The Best!!!
|Jul-11-08|| ||apexin: Game Three
Deep Fritz – Vladimir Kramnik (2807)
Brains in Bahrain (3), 08.10.2002 [C45]
This time Fritz decided to circumvent the Berlin Wall, but Kramnik had another
good anti-computer strategy prepared. He seems to have done a very thorough
job of adjusting to playing against computers!
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Nxc6
The principled reply. White hopes to neutralize Black’s initiative, and then win
with his pawn majority on the kingside after dxc6.
5…Qf6 6.Qd2 dxc6 7.Nc3 Ne7
Kramnik probably wanted to bring Fritz out of his opening book. Did he already
know that a2-a3 would follow? In the Kasparov-Short match, the following
line was discussed: 7...Be6 8.Na4 Rd8 9.Bd3 Bd4 10.0-0 Ne7 (10...a6
11.Nc3 Ne7 12.Ne2 Bb6 13.Qf4 Ng6 14.Qxf6 gxf6 15.Ng3 h5 16.Be2 h4
17.Nf5 Bxf5 18.exf5 Ne5 19.Re1 Kf8 20.Bf4 Rd4 21.g3 Kg7 22.Rad1 Re4
23.Kg2 hxg3 24.hxg3 Bxf2 25.Kxf2 Rh2+ 26.Kf1 Rexe2 27.Rxe2 Rh1+
28.Kf2 Rxd1 29.b3 Rd7 30.Rd2 Rxd2+ 31.Bxd2 c5 32.Ke3 c6 33.Ke4 c4
34.b4 b5 35.Bf4 Nd7 36.Kd4 Kf8 37.Bc7 Ke7 38.g4 Kf8 39.Bd6+ Kg7
40.Bc7 Kf8 41.a3 ½–½, Kasparov,G-Short,N London 1993) 11.c3 b5 12.cxd4
Qxd4 13.Qc2 Qxa4 14.Qxa4 bxa4 15.Bc2 Bc4 16.Re1 Bb5 17.Be3 Nc8
18.Bc5 Nb6 19.Rad1 Rxd1 20.Rxd1 a6 21.f4 Nd7 22.Ba3 h5 23.Kf2 Rh6
24.e5 c5 25.Bf5 Rb6 26.Rd2 g6 27.Bc2 Re6 28.Kg3 Nb6 29.Bxc5 Nc4
30.Rd5 Nxb2 31.f5 Bc6 32.Rd2 gxf5 33.Kf4 Nc4 34.Re2 f6 35.Bxf5 Rxe5
36.Bd3 Bd5 37.Bd4 Rxe2 38.Bxe2 Ke7 39.Bxh5 Bxg2 40.Bd1 a3 41.h4
Bd5 42.h5 Ne5 43.h6 Bxa2 44.Bc5+ Kf7 45.Bc2 Bc4 46.h7 Kg7 47.Bf8+
Kh8 48.Be7 Bd3 49.Bxf6+ Kxh7 50.Bxe5 Bxc2 ½–½, Kasparov,G-Short,N
8.Qf4 Be6 9.Qxf6
Of course Fritz does not fall for 9.Qxc7?? Qxf2+ 10.Kd1 Rd8+o.
Kramnik has again succeeded in exchanging queens to reach a position that he
understands much better than Fritz. It all looks so easy, but then I think about
my own blitz games against Fritz.
It is good to weaken the d3-square, and the a4-knight now looks a bit out of
11.c3 Bd6 12.Be3 b6 13.f4 0-0-0 14.Kf2 c5 15.c4 Nc6 16.Nc3 f5!
The position should remain closed for the moment.
This introduces the idea Bg7, followed by f6.
This is weak, more than it is useful. 18.Nd5 came into consideration.
18...Bg7?! 19.Nd5 Bxd5 20.cxd5 Rxd5 21.Bc4 Rd7 22.Rad1 and Fritz understands
the position much better.
I do not like this move; it weakens a3 and b3 and loses time. Furthermore,
Black can now remove White’s bishop-pair. 19.Rc1 looks much better. White
should try to get control first and then use the weaknesses on Black’s kingside.
19…Nc2 20.Rc1 Nxe3 21.Kxe3 Bg7!
With the idea f6, to open the position for the bishops.
22.Nd5?! c6! 23.Nf6 Bxf6 24.exf6 Rhe8
White neglected his development too much, and Black now has complete
25.Kf3 Rd2 26.h3?!
An odd move, a human would not have found it. But matters were very difficult
anyway. Now Kramnik’s superb technique takes over.
26…Bd7 27.g3 Re6
First, he eliminates any counterplay based on the far advanced f6-pawn.
Capablanca would applaud, I am sure.
28.Rb1 Rxf6 29.Be2
The first move of this bishop, but it still makes a sad impression.
29…Re6 30.Rhe1 Kc7!
|Jul-11-08|| ||apexin: Activating the king, this is a very important fighting unit in the endgame! Then
Black will mobilize the queenside pawns or attack the white pawns. This plan
can’t be stopped in the long run.
31...Rxe1 32.Rxe1 Rb2 33.Re3 b5 also came into consideration. But Kramnik
does not want to give White any counterplay, and why should he?
32.Rec1 Kb6 33.b4?!
Fritz fires back, but what else was there?
33...cxb4 34.axb4 Re4! 35.Rd1 Rxd1 36.Rxd1 Be6! 37.Bd3 Rd4
38.Ke3 c5 39.bxc5+ Kxc5 40.cxb5 Bc4 41.Bc2 Rxd1 42.Bxd1 Bxb5 and
Black should win.
38...Rxd1 39.c5+ Kb7 40.Bxd1 a5!o 41.bxa5 Ka6 42.Ke3 Kxa5
43.Kd4 b4 44.g4 fxg4 45.hxg4 b3 46.Kc3 Ka4 47.Kb2 f6 48.Bf3
Kb5 49.g5 f5 50.Kc3 Kxc5 51.Be2 0-1
A fantastic achievement! Bravo Vladimir! 51...Kb6 52.Bd1 Kb5 53.Be2+ Ka4
54.Kb2 Kb4 55.Bf3 c5o.
|Jun-26-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: Kramnik's opening prep was excellent here - he is very comfortable in Ruy Lopez Berlin as Black, and obtains a similar pawn structure with this opening.|
He can therefore comfortably play positional chess with very little risk.
|Jun-27-16|| ||RookFile: Kasparov played the same "horrible" opening as Deep Fritz and did fine with it. White's problems started later.|