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John William Schulten vs Pierre Charles Fournier de Saint Amant
Paris (1842), Paris FRA
Sicilian Defense: Alapin Variation. General (B22)  ·  0-1



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May-18-05  Runemaster: White had a real death wish in this game, and his dream came true. In fact, apart from "suicide" chess, I can't think of another game between two serious players where a player managed to lose so many pieces so quickly.
May-18-05  Runemaster: After move 11, material is level. Then, in the next 9 moves, White manages to give away 4 minor pieces and 2 rooks - that's a piece every 1.5 moves. All at the cost of a single minor piece to his opponent.

May-18-05  halcyonteam: A dream not realistic
May-18-05  soberknight: The immortal suicide?
May-18-05  knightspot: two wins, thirty-three losses, one draw. guy just doesn't know when it's time to look for another pasttime.
May-18-05  soberknight: Just because you lose at chess doesn't mean it's a waste of time to play. The goal is to have fun, right? I assure you, if I played against Morphy, I would not have fared any better than Schulten, but so what?
May-18-05  knightspot: I stand rebuked, Sir Soberknight - and I may add that I would cringe if anyone actually posted MY win-loss record on
May-19-05  Runemaster: <soberknight: The immortal suicide?> LOL
Nov-30-06  syracrophy: Well I feel really good about this game. Now, when everybody shames on me because of my strange sacs, I'll have the satisfaction that there's a game where there are MORE nasty sacs! Now I can feel fine about my sacs and keep doing it! :-)
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  Honza Cervenka: White went wrong with 10.e5. He probably missed or underestimated 11...Nh5. After that his play was pure desperation that failed.
Oct-17-07  nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33.

Schulten 9 mistakes:
6.Bd3 -0.21 (6.Bxf4 0.14)
9.0-0 0.10 (9.d5 0.51)
10.e5 -1.04 (10.Qb3 0.24)
11.dxe5 -2.23 (11.Bxe5 -0.96)
13.Ng5+ -4.99 (13.Be3 -2.78)
16.Qh5+ -5.98 (16.Rad1 -4.65)
18.Rd7 -10.93 (18.Rde1 -6.00)
19.Nf6+ -15.73 (19.Nxg5 -9.87)
20.Rxf6 -21.42 (20.exf6 -15.66)

De Saint Amant 3 mistakes:
5...Nf6 0.14 (5...g5 -0.34)
6...Be7 0.18 (6...d5 -0.21)
8...Nc6 0.51 (8...cxd4 0.12)

Jul-08-15  mikposeidon: Schulten in tilt
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  louispaulsen88888888: If they had a world champion back then, Saint Amant would have been it. Let us not be too harsh. They had no computers, few chess books, No Alpha Zero. They had to work it all out for themselves.

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