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Rafael Domenech vs Salomon Flohr
Rosas (1935), Rosas ESP, Jun-??
Sicilian Defense: Kramnik Variation (B40)  ·  0-1

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Jun-05-08  percyblakeney: <That's funny. Kramnik variation at 1935>

I could understand if it was called the Malakhov variation since he has played it more than 20 times (and with classical time controls). Of the older players Tartakower and Alekhine have played it several times. Kramnik only seems to have played it once, in a rapid game.

Jun-05-08  suenteus po 147: It's a little like the Taimanov variation of the Sicilian being played in 1882.
Jan-06-09  Ulhumbrus: In the position after 24 Rxd1 Flohr does not play the move...Nb3 at once ( to be followed by exchanges of the N and R on d2) but prepares this move by playing first the manoeuvre ..Nc5-e6-d4 so as to induce the advance f4-f5-f6 which makes White's pawns vulnerable to attack from Black's King.
Apr-21-13  Everett: <perfidious: <WMD> It seems that playing to restrict the opponent's possibilities didn't quite measure up to the ideal of the Soviet School of chess: playing to win in a bold, uncompromising manner, as Soviet Man should. For 'examples' of such play, see
The Soviet School of Chess, by Kotov and Yudovich Sr, written in the fifties- a nice little polemic if a copy can be found nowadays>
.

Perhaps this is why many comrades of Karpov did not like his style, why Bronstein called him dull, and Spassky struggled to understand what Karpov "wanted" on the chess-board.

Jul-18-13  lalla: why does black retreat the knight to d7 in the opening? why move a piece twice?
Jul-18-13  Nerwal: <why does black retreat the knight to d7 in the opening? why move a piece twice?>

Black plays this because the ♘ does not have great prospects at f6; it has nowhere to go. The same could be said of the dark-squared bishop : e7 would not be a great square to put it. So black formulated the strategic plan of exchanging the good bishop at e3 for black's bad bishop at f8, with ♘d7 and ♗c5. Another point is that black avoids the routine move ♗e6, because after ♘d7-c5 this square could be more effectively used by the knight, and the light-squared bishop might find a better square elsewhere : black only plays moves connected to a strategic plan, and does not waste time on moves that would be useful "in general". In the game black nevertheless played ♗e6 later on, but that's because he already had a better plan than ♘c5-e6-d4 available : invading the weak d3 square. For this the ♘ stands perfectly at c5, and he played ♗e6 just to connect the rooks as quickly as possible.

The principles of openings like not moving a piece twice in the opening are only of limited use; they do not apply equally well in every situation. Here, we have a strategic position with a fairly limited number of opened lines. The d file is open, but nobody can threaten an invasion there at first because all the entry squares are well covered by bishops. There is also no good pawn break to change the structure and make good use of a lead in development (f4 is possible but very poor). To sum it up, this is not a position where tempo play is the most important factor. This is a type of position where what matters is where your pieces will be best placed, which ones to keep and which ones to exchange. Looking at the game we can see trading dark-squared bishops and putting the ♘ at c5 almost won the game by itself.

Jul-21-13  lalla: Why let black double his rooks on the d file? I think 18. Nf1 in order to exchange rooks on the file would have left both sides with a bishop and knight where white has nothing to fear.
Jul-21-13  Nerwal: 18. ♘f1 doesn't solve all the problems because of 18... ♖d4.
Nov-08-19  kostich in time: One of Flohr's little known masterpieces. A fine example of playing actively in a simplified position
Feb-16-20
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  al wazir: My idea, to simplify with 20...Rxd2 21. Rxd2 Rxd2 22. Kxd2 Nb3+ 23. Kc2 Nxc1 24. Kxc1 Kd6 25. Kc2 Kc5 26. Kc3, was similar, but it doesn't seem to work. I'm not sure why.
Feb-16-20
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: My only unsolved puzzle this week. In its own way, a quietly amazing little combination that does nothing but get rid of all the Rooks and minor pieces, so that the King can feast on pawns. Never would have figured it out on my own.
Feb-16-20  Walter Glattke: Good morning, 23.Rg1 Rxd2+ 24.Ke3 Re2+ 25.Kd4 Nb3+ 26.Kc3 Nxc1 27.Rxc1 Rxh2 no option.In the final match position black plays Kxf6, Kg5 and the f-pawn is faster than the white a-pawn then.
Feb-16-20
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  agb2002: White threatens f5.

The pressure along the d-file and on the central pawns suggests 20... Rd3+ 21.Bxd3 Rxd3+:

A) 22.Kf2 Bg4

A.1) 23.e5 Bxd1 24.Rxd1 Nb3 25.Ke2 Rh3 26.Rh1 Nxd2 27.Kxe2 Rf3 wins a pawn.

A.2) 23.Ke1 Bxd1 24.Rxd1 (24.Kxd1 Nxe4 wins a pawn) 24... Rh3 25.Nf1 Nd3+ wins a pawn.

B) 22.Ke2 Bg4+ 23.Kf2 (23.Ke1 Bxd1 transposes to A.2) 23... Bxd1 24.Rxd1 Nxe4+ 25.Ke2 (25.Nxe4 Rxd1 wins also an exchange) 25... Rxd2+ ends up a pawn ahead.

Feb-16-20
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  agb2002: I missed the simple defense 26.Nf3 in my line A.1, probably because of the pin in almost every line.
Feb-16-20
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  malt: Missed it, undecided between 20...f5 or 20...Nd3
Feb-16-20  1stboard: A fine example to simplify the position to a pawns only game which are the most simplest to win .....

A famous game in Irving Chernev's The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played

Feb-16-20  Chesgambit: not insane just need some calculations
Feb-16-20  Chesgambit: not insane just need some calculations ( easy win for black)
Feb-16-20
Premium Chessgames Member
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Feb-16-20  RandomVisitor: Afer 20...Rd4 white is also sunk


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Stockfish_20021009_x64:

<44/80 28:12 -3.64 21.Rc2 f5 22.Rg1 g6> 23.h4 Nb3 24.exf5 Bxf5 25.Nxb3 axb3 26.Rc3 Re4+ 27.Kf3 Rdd4 28.Rxb3 Rxf4+ 29.Kg2 Rxh4 30.Re3 Rd2 31.b3 Rb2 32.Re1 Re4 33.Rxe4 Bxe4+ 34.Kg1 Rxb3 35.Bf1 Rg3+ 36.Kh2 Rg4 37.Be2 Rg2+ 38.Kh3 Rg5 39.Kh4 Rc5 40.Bf1 Bf5 41.Re7+ Kb6 42.Be2 h6 43.Re3 Ra5 44.Kg3 Ra4 45.Kf2 Kc5 46.Re7 b6 47.Rc7 Rxa3 48.Bf3 Kd4 49.Bxc6 h5 50.Rb7

44/78 28:12 -3.69 21.f5 Bc8 22.Rc2 g6 23.f6 h5 24.Rg1 b6 25.Rgc1 Bg4 26.Bxg4 hxg4 27.Rg1 Rd3+ 28.Ke2 Nb3 29.Nxb3 axb3 30.Rc3 Rxc3 31.bxc3 Rh8 32.c5 Rxh2+ 33.Kd3 b2 34.cxb6+ Kxb6 35.e5 Kc5 36.e6 fxe6 37.f7 Rf2 38.Rb1 Rxf7 39.Rxb2 Rf3+ 40.Ke4 Rxc3 41.a4 g3 42.a5 Ra3 43.Kf4 Kc4 44.Rc2+ Kb5 45.a6 c5 46.a7 c4 47.a8R Rxa8 48.Kxg3 Kb4 49.Kf4 c3 50.Ke3 Kb3 51.Rg2 Ra1 52.Rxg6

43/72 28:12 -4.54 21.e5 g6 22.Nf3 Re4+ 23.Kf2 Rxf4 24.h4 Rxd1 25.Rxd1 Bxc4 26.Bxc4 Rxc4 27.Nd4 Kd7 28.h5 Ke7 29.h6 Ne6 30.Nxe6 Kxe6 31.Kg3 Kxe5 32.Rd8 Kf6 33.Rh8 Rc2 34.Rxh7 Rxb2 35.Rg7 Rb3+ 36.Kg2 Rb5 37.Rg8 Rg5+ 38.Kf1 Rh5 39.Ra8 Rxh6 40.Rxa4 Rh1+ 41.Kg2 Rb1 42.Rf4+ Ke6 43.Re4+ Kd6 44.Rd4+ Ke5 45.Rd7 f5 46.Rg7 Kf6 47.Rd7 Rb3

Feb-16-20  cormier: 10. a3 better is 10.Nc3 Nd7 11.O-O-O b6 12.Na4 Nc5 13.Nxc5 Bxc5 14.Bxc5 = +0.01 (25 ply)

10... Nd7 ⩱ -0.57 (27 ply)

11. Nd2 better is 11.Nc3 Bc5 12.Bf2 Bxf2+ 13.Kxf2 Nc5 14.b4 Nb3 15.Rb1 Nd2 = -0.41 (24 ply)

11... a5 ⩱ -1.08 (26 ply)

after 11...Bc5 12.Kf2 Bxe3+ 13.Kxe3 a5 14.Be2 a4 15.Rad1 Nc5 12. Be2 a4 13. Kf2 Bc5 14. Bc5 Nc5 15. Rac1 better is 15.Rad1 Rd8 16.Nb1 Bd7 17.Nc3 f6 18.g3 Ne6 19.Rd3 h6 ⩱ -0.63 (27 ply)

15... Be6 ⩱ -1.18 (30 ply)

after 15...Rd8 16.Rhd1 Be6 17.Nf1 Rd4 18.Rxd4 exd4 19.Nd2 f6 16. Rhd1 Rhd8 17. Ke3 better is 17.Nf1 Rd4 18.Rxd4 exd4 19.Nd2 f6 20.Re1 Kd6 21.h4 Rd8 ⩱ -0.99 (28 ply)

17... Rd7 better is 17...Rd4 18.Nf1 Nb3 19.Rc2 Rad8 20.Re1 Nc5 21.Rd2 R8d7 ∓ -1.69 (28 ply)

18. g3 ⩱ -1.13 (26 ply)

after 18.Nf1 Rd4 19.Kf2 Nb3 20.Rc3 Rad8 21.Rcd3 Kb6 22.g4 f6

18... Rad8 19. f4? 19.Nf1 Rxd1 20.Rxd1 Rxd1 21.Bxd1 Bxc4 22.Nd2 Be6 23.f4 ⩱ -1.40 (27 ply

) 19... ef4 -+ -2.61 (26 ply)

Feb-16-20
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  Breunor: Beautiful trade down to a won endgame. Final position is a complete win:

1) -10.51 (31 ply) 31.Kc3 Ke5 32.b4 axb3 33.Kxb3 Kxf6 34.Kc3 Ke5 35.Kd3 Kf4 36.Ke2 c5 37.Kf2 Ke4 38.Ke2 Kd4 39.Kd1 f5 40.Kc2 Kxc4 41.a4 Kd4 42.a5 Kc4 43.h3 Kd4 44.Kb3 f4 45.Kc2 c4 46.Kd2 f3 47.Ke1 c3 48.Kf1

Feb-16-20  RandomVisitor: After 8.e5 white would likely have an even game


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Stockfish_20021009_x64:

<53/78 2:39:20 0.00 8...Ng4 9.f4 Bc5 10.Nd2> b6 11.Ne4 Bd4 12.Be2 Nh6 13.Nd2 Be3 14.Nb3 Bxc1 15.Nxc1 Kc7 16.c5 Rd8 17.Nb3 Nf5 18.Kf2 Nd4 19.Nxd4 Rxd4 20.Ke3 bxc5 21.Rhc1 Rb4 22.b3 a5 23.Rxc5 a4 24.Rc4 Rxc4 25.Bxc4 axb3 26.Bxb3 c5 27.a4 Kb6 28.Rb1 Kc7 29.Ra1

52/76 2:39:20 +0.30 8...Nd7 9.f4 f6 10.exf6 gxf6 11.Nc3 a5 12.Na4 e5 13.Be2 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Bd6 15.g3 exf4 16.Bxf4 Ke7 17.Bxd6+ Kxd6 18.Rhf1 Re8 19.Rad1+ Ke7 20.Rd2 Ne5 21.Nb6 Bh3 22.Rfd1 Rad8 23.Rxd8 Rxd8 24.Rxd8 Kxd8 25.c5 Ke7 26.Nc4 Nxc4 27.Bxc4 Be6 28.Bd3 h6 29.b3 a4 30.bxa4 Bxa2 31.Ke3 Bb3 32.a5 Ke6 33.Ke4 f5+ 34.Kf4 Kd5 35.Bxf5 Kxc5 36.Bg6 Be6

Feb-16-20  messachess: Not that 'insane' but good master vision to see the ending.
Feb-16-20  RandomVisitor: After 3...Nc6 white is ok but still in the opening


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Stockfish_20021009_x64:

<51/69 2:45:01 +0.19 4.Be2 Qb6 5.Nc3> Be7 6.h3 d6 7.0-0 Nf6 8.d3 0-0 9.Rb1 Nd7 10.Be3 Nde5 11.b4 Nxf3+ 12.Bxf3 Qc7 13.a3 Nd4 14.Bg4 Bd7 15.Qd2 b6 16.Ne2 Nxe2+ 17.Bxe2 Bc6 18.Rbc1 a6 19.f4 Rad8 20.Kh2 Rde8 21.Bf3 f5 22.Rb1 Bh4 23.g3 Bf6 24.Qc2 Rb8 25.a4 Qd7 26.b5 axb5 27.axb5 Bb7 28.Bg2 g6 29.g4 fxe4 30.dxe4 Bd4 31.Bxd4 cxd4

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