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Sheldon vs Francois Philidor
Philidor Mixed simul, 3b London (1790), London ENG, Mar-13
Bishop's Opening: General (C23)  ·  0-1

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Mar-12-03  Ghengis Pawn: I'm glad you decided to defecate your priceless advice over every Philidor game in the database...the world is forever indebted to you.
Jul-14-04  Jesuitic Calvinist: By way of delayed defecation (see above post), I must say I like this game; very smooth from Philidor. Shows, as so often in his games, advanced positional knowledge.
Sep-05-04  Knight13: Nice.
Dec-13-04  Jaymthegenius: Philidors opponent was very weak, so weak a begginer would defeat him (or Philidor)! 24. Bb3?? is a horrible blunder! 24.Qc5 is much superior. And white should have let the knight be captured at e5, aftter 9.Re1,fxe5 10.Qh5+ the old damiano trick works. And Philidor couldnt have any possitional understanding, Steinitz was not around for Philidor to be positional.
Dec-13-04
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  beatgiant: <Jaymthegenius:>
<aftter 9.Re1,fxe5 10.Qh5+ the old damiano trick works.>

It doesn't look that way to me, because after 9. ♖e1 fxe5 10. ♕h5+ , Black's knight is defending the e5 pawn. Black can reply 10...g6 or 10...♗f7 and I don't see what White has.

Dec-13-04  Milo: What was wrong with 13...f4?
Dec-15-04
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  beatgiant: <Milo>:
<What was wrong with 13...f4?>

I don't see anything great for White after that, although he can try to complicate with something like 13...f4 14. cxd5 cxd5 15. fxe4 fxe3 16. exd5 Bxd5 17. Bxd5 Nxd5 18. Qf3 Rf8 19. Qe4+ Be7 20. Nc4.

Dec-15-04
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  IMlday: 13.f4 Ng4 looks like big long-term edge for Black. Better center (supported passed-pawn) plus 2B's vs B&N, plus Kingside break (g7-g5). Too many small advantages; Black is winning.

Note the year, 1790, "One year after the revolution, and the old King's execution.." Pawn/peasant power ruled, in life and chess.

Dec-15-04
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  beatgiant: <IMlday>:
<13.f4 Ng4 looks like big long-term edge for Black.>

Agreed.

In case there was any confusion, <Milo> and I were discussing the possibility of Black's playing 13...f4, winning a piece.

May-30-06  prinsallan: Philidor was a pawn genius. This games along with so many others proves he was a brilliant player.
Feb-01-08  wolfmaster: Nice, solid game by Philidor.
May-27-09  AnalyzeThis: White might have considered playing 4. Bb3, meeting 4...dxe4 with 5. Nxe5.
Jul-25-09  just a kid: 13...f4 looks better than 13...O-O
Nov-18-09  newzild: Objectively, it wasn't such a great game. A reasonable club-level player of today would have played the simple 13...f4, winning a piece (14.Bf2 e3).
Jan-03-14  MarkFinan: A club level player would have spotted this too. And im pretty sure that when I was a kid I would as well.


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Black to play. You're going to take the c or d pawn. Instead of dxc it should be cxd surely? That dangerous a7-g1 diagnol, because *if* white recaptures with the knight, and surely he must, there's all kinds of dangerous pins with the dsb and the Queen. I love going through these old games by past masters, it's really intriguing and tempting In this technological age to analyze the really old masters games with an engine, but it makes me wonder what they had to do to achieve the title of Master?!?

And he played dxc and still won, lol.

Jul-14-16  juanhernandez: good game !!!
Feb-19-19  whiteshark: <1790> Young Sheldon

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