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|Sep-27-03|| ||refutor: 2. ... f5?! is painful to the eyes |
|Sep-27-03|| ||mrvertigo: what exactly is wrong with 10. QxR? |
|Sep-27-03|| ||refutor: i assume you mean 11.QxR and that loses to 11. ... Bb4+ |
|Jul-14-04|| ||rochade18: This move 2...f5 in the King's Gambit, does it have a special name? |
|Jul-06-05|| ||Caissanist: Wouldn't black be busted after 6.Qe2? I don't see how he gets any play at all for his two pawns.|
|May-22-06|| ||stanleys: Typical game of Shirazi|
|Sep-03-07|| ||syracrophy: This is what I call a REALLY BIZARRE game|
|Sep-03-07|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Shirazi is rather unfairly remembered for some spectacular losses, such as a five-mover with the White pieces in a US Championship. At his best, as here, he can conjure truly shocking complications as early as the second move. BTW, 6.Qe2 just falls in line with Black's plans; after 6...d5, he intends to regain material with 7...Bf5, but even if he can't, so what? He still has that lead in development.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||al wazir: I think 29...Rgxf3 also wins, possibly faster. If 30. Qxf3, then 30...Rxf3 31. Nxf3 Qf2+. If 30. Nxf3, then 30...Re2 31. Qxe2 Bxe2 32. Kg3 Qg6+ 33. Kf2 Bxf3 34. Kxf3 Qd3+, winning the c-♙.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||karnak64: "Panteldakis Countergambit" -- sounds like it's named for some kind of winged Dinosaur. What a mind boggling game!|
|Sep-03-07|| ||JohnBoy: True - typical Shirazi. The guy is great at creating wild complications. Can someone give the link to the 5-mover mentioned above?|
|Sep-03-07|| ||keres777: My God!!! Is this stuff sound? Computer analysis anyone?|
|Sep-03-07|| ||karnak64: <JohnBoy>: Here's the 5-move howler -|
K Shirazi vs H Peters, 1986
|Sep-03-07|| ||frenchfan: this counter-gambit cannot be sound... it seems completely twisted!|
|Sep-03-07|| ||aragorn69: Very tricky. A kind of King's gambit reversed.
At first I thought there might be improvements for White between moves 20 and 22. However, I can't see any after all. Black's pieces are simply too active already at that point.
For example, 22.Bd4 Qa6+! 23.Be2 Nf6!! 24.Nd2 Rxe2! 25.Nxe2 Rg6 26.Qf3 Bg4 wins the queen.
Or 22.Qe2 Nc5! 23.Bxd5+ Kh8 24.Bc4 Qc6 25.Nf3 Bh3+ 26.Kg1 Rxe3!! leads to mate.
|Sep-03-07|| ||Chessmensch: White was one move away from disaster for most of the game--and finally got caught. This game required very precise playing by both sides. It must have been an exhausting mental challenge.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <frenchfan: this counter-gambit cannot be sound... it seems completely twisted!>|
Shirazi has never been much concerned with playing sound openings. With 2. ... f5, he basically lays down the challenge: OK, let's see who can find more and better tactics in a totally wild position. Ironically, by the time the Queens have been traded off (after 32. ... cxb6), there is no trace of the previous insane complications, and the position looks like one that could have resulted from Black's having simply pursued an alert pawn-grabbing strategy.
|Sep-03-07|| ||aragorn69: 20.Nc3!? might hold, but would require (inhumanely) precise defense skills: e.g. 20.-Nxc3 21.bxc3 c6 22.Ne2 (or maybe 22.Qd2) Qd7 23.h3 Re8 24.Bg4 Rg6 25.Bd2 Qe7 26.Nd4 Be4 27.Nf3 Qc5 28.Rh2!? Bxc2 29.Qg1 ~=
The problem is White's rooks, which are very hard to activate.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: Although the final position (with 43. … ♖xa3 threatened) is certainly very difficult for White: |
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I still wonder if resignation was not premature.
Granted that his own a-pawn is doomed, White should be able to win the b7-pawn, and if he can arrange an exchange of the K-side pawns, the ending of Rook versus Rook-plus-2 Connected Pawns on outside files (in this case, the a- and b- files) can actually be surprisingly difficult to win. And if White cares to indulge his wildest dreams, he could even imagine that the following position would arise:
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Although this position is actually fairly easily winning for Black, if he gets careless and decides he would be making progress to advance his unblocked pawn (1. … b3???), White actually would have a forced win with 2. ♖b2 ♖a2 3. ♖b1#.
|Sep-03-07|| ||efrain chavez: After surviving all fireworks, white misses 41 Rxb6! now both Rxf4 (42 Rxb7+ followed by Rxa7) and axb6 (42 Kxc4 followed by Kb5) give white the half point. Blak has to try something else like 41... Ra4 but it still looks drawish to me.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||Crowaholic: <keres777: Is this stuff sound? Computer analysis anyone?>|
I tried to figure that out with two different engines, but the very deep knight sac confuses them. They think that White is winning clearly because of the won knight but as one progresses through the game, the advantage gradually decreases over time from more than +4 to only +1 although both sides are playing the moves that the computer suggests!
Therefore, I will only point out some possible tactical mistakes later in the game:
Kennaugh missed 41. Rxb6! with good drawing chances. Furthermore, Crafty thinks that 22. Nd2 is a bad move (-2.51 at 12 ply) and suggests 22. Bd4 Qf8 23. b3 Rg6 24. Qb2 etc. (0.33 at 11 ply).
As far as Black is concerned, 39. ..Be6+ is not sound because of 41. Rxb6. Crafty suggests 39. ..Kf6 40. Re3 Rc1 41. Nd2 Rd1 42. Re2 Bd3 43. Rh2 etc. where according to Crafty, Black can maintain a clear advantage.
|Sep-03-07|| ||HannibalSchlecter: Nice comeback for Shirazi but that opening he used was pure garbage.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||CapablancaFan: Black opens up with an opening that has no soundness about it. But I still give him Kudos for hanging in there and coming back to win the game, even though it's due to a few inaccuracies by white, more than anything black did.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||psmith: <Crowaholic>
On Crafty's suggestion of 22. Bd4, please see <Aragorn69>'s post above. 22... Qa6+! seems to be a refutation of this defense.
|Sep-03-07|| ||psmith: <efrain chavez> <Crowaholic> I am not convinced of the draw after 41. Nxb6 Ra4. I am pretty sure Black is winning in that position.|
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