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Lowenthal / Medley vs Morphy / Mongredien
Consultation game (1858), London ENG, Jul-14
Philidor Defense: Lopez Countergambit (C41)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Mar-06-04  drukenknight: who says the philidor is unsound? ALl these KP openings (Petroff, Ponziani, Philidor, Grecos) are related to one another, knowing one helps to understand the other.

Look at this move 3...f5; looks like a Schliemann only arises out of Italin not SPanish. Both Morphy and Steinitz played this position from whites 5th move (there are other games not in this data base).

After fooling around w/ certain transpositions I wonder if Philidor was not making his famous counterattack vs white players who favored Bc4 and not Bb5. I.e. they were trying to play Italian opening.

For instance suppose the guy wanted to play Spanish but every time the guy started 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 philidor would play Greco/Latvian 2...f5.

After losing a few games of this, the guy decides he cant play Spanish so he transpose it into an Italien via the Bishops opening only to find:

1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 Nf6 3 Nf3 f5 and here it goes again.

See I was wondering what move order was Philidors counter attack exactly. Did arise out of Spanish like the Siesta (1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 f5). Or was he playing it right out off the bat like Greco: 1 e4 e5 Nf3 f5)

Or was he doing it out philidors 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d6?

What were his opponents doing in response

Mar-06-04  Taidanii: This WAS our beloved Paul Porphy, correct?
Mar-06-04  Lawrence: No, I think it was Paul Morphy.
Nov-19-04  morphy234: Porphy? Who's that? What a funny name.
Apr-28-07  wolfmaster: <Taidanii>LOL!
Sep-08-14  Ke2: Even in the endgame morphy tries to tear your head off
Sep-02-15  yureesystem: This is sad display of endgame technique, Lowenthal had a very easy win. Morphy played poorly, pawn to b5 is a horrible positional move and loses; for great chess genius like Morphy seeing seven moves is a cake walk and he did not seen the end position which will result in a lost. A expert rated 2000 uscf would of won that endgame, it would of been a cake walk. Any expert would of defended a lot better than Morphy poor move 14...b5??. Lets start with 14...b5??, a lot better is 14...Bxe5 15.Nxe5 Nf7 16.Nxf7 Rxf7 and Black has a defensible position and good chances for a draw. White is endgame technique is inept, Lowenthal winning moves is 21.Rxf8! reducing material by exchanging pieces to simplify 21../Kxf8 22.Kf3 Nxd4 22...♘b4? 23c3! ♘xa2?? 24.♖a1 wins the piece. continue with 23.exd4 with extra pawn and active pieces white has a very easy win.
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