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Dragoljub Minic vs Albin Planinc
"Planinc for Success" (game of the day Nov-16-2006)
Rovinj/Zagreb (1975), rd 11, May-??
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense. Archangelsk Variation (C78)  ·  0-1



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Mar-12-05  popski: Excellent game!!
Nov-12-05  JohnBoy: In <ToTheDeath>'s 21.Qd3 line above, I don't see why ...Rxf1+ 22.Qxf1 cd6 23.f3 Re1 24.Kf2 Rxf1+ 25.Kxf1 Bd5 merits . Cannot white just play 26.Ke2, take the advanced pawn, and make black prove that the K+P ending is a win? With black's pawn structure, this will not be an easy task.
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  ToTheDeath: JohnBoy, I think you're right. I played around with Fritz for a while and did not find a winning line. White will move his king to d4, advance the pawn to b4, and there's no way for black to make progress. The extra doubled pawn is too weak.
Nov-16-06  think: Crazy! Why did white never take the d pawn?

Nov-16-06  Gowe: <think> What do you mean? when? For example: If 19.Bxd2 Bxg3 and white is totally winning
Nov-16-06  thegoodanarchist: This is the kind of game that would have spectators gathered 'round in amazement
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  ray keene: i was present when this game was played

we were up on a stage and i dont recall there being many spectators present

in fact it made less of a splash than one wd expect tho of course its an incredible game

Nov-16-06  syracrophy: <ray keene> Nice! =) I must think that you were more excited than us by watching this great game when it was been played. What a great luck of GM =P
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  ray keene: i annotated this game in my book dynamic chess openings still in print see tho of course it being 1975 i did it sans computer assistance
Nov-16-06  baggio: Hi!
I do not have a chess program, but could someone please check this line for wihte: 16Qc7+,Kc7 17.Bf4+ and now black can play:17...Kb6 or something. Cant wait to get your opinion.

Nov-16-06  PolishPentium: It seems to this humble analyst (yeah, right!!^^), that many of White's future problems would have been eliminated with the simple, if hardly glamorous, 9 Qxd4. It is, after all, the offending d-file Black pawn (and its advanced progress towards promotion) that leadd to much of W's torments...
Nov-16-06  syracrophy: <ray keene> It's very nice to have a great GM between us! =) In fact, I would like your opinion about the Marshall Gambit in the Ruy Lopez, since I have been crushed two times with that gambit (go to Christian Abel Ramirez and watch my loss in page 7) Any suggestion?

I hate it! 1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗b5 a6 4.♗a4 ♘f6 5.0-0 ♗e7 6.♖e1 b5 7.♗b3 0-0 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 e4!

Nov-16-06  gmgomes: <I do not have a chess program, but could someone please check this line for wihte: 16Qc7+,Kc7 17.Bf4+ and now black can play:17...Kb6 or something. Cant wait to get your opinion. Bye> This line does not work for white; it really suggests kb6 and evaluates this as -6,50
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  ray keene: my advice is always avoid playing against the marshall gambit-there are many ways of doing this-see for example the kasparov v short match of 1993, also a hydra v adams game from last year
Nov-17-06  thegoodanarchist: <ray keene: my advice is always avoid playing against the marshall gambit-there >

Unless you are JR Capablance playing against the inventor :)

Nov-17-06  baggio: I see how about next countinuation from move 16 so number one is move 17: 1.Qg3xc7+ Kc8xc7
2.Bc1-f4+ Kc7-b6
3.Bf4-e3+ Kb6-a5 (instead of moving king back
on the same place)
4.Ne4-d2 Qe8-g6 (white searching for mate)
5.f2-f3 d7-d5
6.Be3-a7 Bf8-d6 (whites bishop does not want
to be cut of the diagonal by advancing black pawn b4-b5) 7.a2-a4 b5-b4 (now white starts a lethal attack)

8.Bb3-c2 Bd6-b8
9.Nd2-b3+ Belive it or not check mate!

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  kevin86: An unusual queen sac-it almost looked like black fell into a twopenny trap-instead,it was white who chomped down the bait.

Great "Planinc" by black!

Apr-25-07  wolfmaster: <PolishPentium> do you really think 9.Qxd4 is a good move?
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  ToTheDeath: Coming back to the 21.Qd3 line discussed at the start, Rybka appears to have found a win for Black:

21. Qd3 Rxf1+ 22. Qxf1 cxd6 23. f3 Re1 24. Kf2 Rxf1+ 25. Kxf1 Bd5 26. Ke2 d1=Q+ 27. Kxd1 Bxb3+ 28. axb3 f4 29. g3 fxg3 30. hxg3 Kc7 31. Ke2 d5 32. Ke3 Kd6 33. b4 h5 34. Kd3 Ke5 (34. Kf4 d4! ) 35. Ke3 g5 36. Kd3 h4

Just a quick analysis, maybe someone can find a draw for White. Either way a fantastic game by Planinc.

Jan-29-09  Jim Bartle: Analyzed lightly by Hans Ree:
Feb-06-09  Hitokiri Battousai: omg that Planinc dude was genius.
I just saw some of the notable games he played !!!
Playing against him must give you headache
Feb-16-09  dovif: 9 Qxd4, c5 ...... c4 loses the bishop, but it does eliminate 2ps
Apr-08-12  DanielBryant: 9.Qxd4 is an elementary blunder; White falls into the Noah's Ark Trap after ...c5.
Apr-16-18  AuN1: False, <dovif> and <danielbryant>; e5 is not defended (no pawn on d6 or knight on c6). White can respond to 9...c5 with a check on e5, followed by c3.

9.Qxd4 is just sub-par because white is already behind in development and it would only get worse with that continuation.

Jan-31-20  jemptymethod: The link from 01/29/09 to some annotations is broken but for convenience here it is saved by the "wayback machine":
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