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Veselin Topalov vs Ruslan Ponomariov
16th Ciudad de Leon (2003) (rapid), Leon ESP, rd 2, Jun-08
French Defense: Winawer. Poisoned Pawn Variation General (C18)  ·  0-1

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Jun-10-03  Shadout Mapes: But..... black won......
Jun-10-03  Shadout Mapes: Oh, I see, Topalov lost on time, nevermind.
Jun-10-03
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  chessgames.com: In retrospect I am not sure if White can win the game after capturing the Queen, because Black's passed c-pawn seems to make a draw.
Jun-10-03
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  chessgames.com: You folks deserve better than this. I hereby cancel this as a "tactical problem of the day" and we can just discuss it as a normal game. There's a new problem on the homepage. Whether or not White can really win this ending, it's too "muddy" to deem a combination.

So, can White win after 49...Qxe5!+ or not?

Jun-10-03  Woodpusher: From chessbase.com
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<Here Topalov found the crusher: 49.Rxg6! and Ponomariov had to give up his queen or get mated after 49...hxg6 50.Qg7+ Ke8 51.Bf6.

So 49...Qxe5 50.dxe5 hxg6 was forced. White must be winning this despite the dangerous passed c-pawn. The plan is to can grab a few pawns with check and then plant his queen on c1 before walking his king over and capturing the pawn for a winning king and pawn endgame.

This could have been achieved after 51.Qh7+ Kf8 52.Qd7 Rc4 and now 53.Qxe6!. Instead Topalov played 53.Qd8+ and all he had was a perpetual check draw. Insult was then added to injury when the Bulgarian's brain got stuck in neutral and he let his clock run out even though he had a ten second increment after each move!>

Jun-10-03
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  Honza Cervenka: I think that white should win after 53.Qxe6 c2 54.Qf6+ Kg8 55.Qxg6+ Kh8 [55...Kf8 56.e6 Rc7 57.Qf6+ Ke8 58.e7 Rxe7 (58...c1=Q 59.Qf8+ Kd7 60.e8=Q#) 59.Qc6+ and 60.Qxc2 ] 56.Qh6+ Kg8 57.Qc1 Kf7 (57...d4 58.Qg5+ and white wins the unprotected rook in few moves.) 58.g4 Ke6 59.f4 Rc8 (59...d4 60.f5+ Kxe5 61.f6 and the pawn cannot be captured for Qf1+ and Qxc4; 59...Rc7 60.f5+ Kxe5 61.f6 also here the pawn cannot be captured for Qf4+ and Qxc7; 59...Rc3 60.f5+ Kxe5 61.f6 Kxf6? 62.Qf4+ and rook is lost again - 62...Kg6 63.Qf5+ Kg7 64.Qe5+ etc.; 59...Rc5 60.Kg2 d4 61.Kf3 d3 62.Ke3 Rc3 63.Kd4 d2 64.f5+ Kd7 65.Qxd2 c1=Q 66.Qxc3 ) 60.f5+ Kxe5 61.Qe3+ Kd6 62.Qe6+ Kc7 63.Qe5+ Kb6 64.Qb2+ Ka6 65.a4 Rc5 66.Qc1 with next 67.f6 etc.
Oct-30-03
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  Open Defence: Honza does 53Qxe6 Rh4+ 54Kg3 (or Kg1) Rh7 help black in anyway ? I haven't followed through with the analysis I am just looking at the board on the web page and it seems that by bring the rook on the 7th rank black can stop the Queen checks and also protect the c pawn
Oct-30-03
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  Honza Cervenka: <Open Defence> <Honza does 53Qxe6 Rh4+ 54Kg3 (or Kg1) Rh7 help black in anyway ?>

I don't think so. It sets adrift black c-Pawn, which is the only hope of black to save the game: 53.Qxe6 Rh4+ 54.Kg3 Rh7 55.Qc8+ and 56.Qxc3.

Oct-30-03
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  Open Defence: oops hehehhee that wuz dumb .. yeah.. black seems to be in difficulties sheesh if only he had checked the time
Oct-30-03
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  Open Defence: 53Qxe6 d4 54Qf6+ Kg8 55Qxg6+ Kf8 56e6 Rc7 57Qf6+ Ke8 58e7 Rxe7 etc but with the move c3 thrown in to give the rook a square on the c file namely c4 ...(this is just an idea) Honza my apologies i probably must check out the variations before throwing questions hahahahaha
Oct-30-03
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  Honza Cervenka: If 53.Qxe6 d4, then why not 54.Qxc4?
Oct-31-03
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  Open Defence: Ack!!! blunder after blunder!! that's it I am going home!! hehehehehehe bad day at the chess board for me any one for tennis?
Oct-31-03
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  Open Defence: Honza my sincere apologies the last posts were dumb (I am tempted to kill those messages hahahaha) but i wuz wondering (and probably blundering) does black's 51st move Kf8 walk into the Qxe6 sequence ? does Ke8 make better sense considering that the g6 pawn is doomed anyway ? from e8 the king might be able to protect d7 ?
Oct-31-03
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  Honza Cervenka: <Open Defence> 51...Ke8 looks like a good idea. For example, 52.Qxg6+ Kd7 53.Qc2 Kc7 54.g4 is too slow as after 54...d4 black threatens with 55...d3 56.Qxd3 c2. I don't see any winning plan for white now.
Oct-31-03
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  Open Defence: hehehe ok i seemed to have redeemed myself after those 2 blunder posts, i think i should let those posts remain.. that would be a good motivator hahaha
Jul-23-11  Nilsson: Instead of Topalovs 43.Rg4? 43.Rxg6+!
/JN

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