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| Oct-25-08 | | JimmyVermeer: Steinitz wisely deviates from his usual 6...Qf6. 6...Nf6 was always played successfully by Paul Morphy, so that probably would have been the best move. Steinitz also bombed on his 30th move. He should have tried 30...Kf7. The ending would be 31 Rxf5+ Qxf5 32 Qf8+ Kg5 33 Qxf5+ Kh6 34 Re7 Rxg4+ 35 Qxg4 Bf6 36 Re6 d4 37 Rxf6#. If you follow syracrophy's ending, it would go something like this:
31 Rxf5+ Qxf5 32 Qf8+ Kg5 33 Qxf5+ Kh6 34 Qh5+ Kg7 35 Re7+ Kf6 36 Rd7 Rxg4+ 37 Qxg4 Ke5 38 Qe2+ Kf6 39 Rd6+ Kg5 40 h3 h5 41 Qd2+ Be3 42 Qxe3+ Kf5 43 Re6 d4 44 Qe5# taking White 7 turns longer to win. |
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| Aug-22-09 | | Max Lange: 22...c5 1.0 is stronger says Fritz (  1.0), and 26...Qd7 is better resistance says Fritz |
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| Mar-07-10 | | kibitzwc: (1491) Chigorin,Mikhail - Steinitz,William [C52]
World Championship 4th Havana (1), 01.01.1892
[Fritz 12 (5m)]
C52: Evans Gambit Accepted: 5 c3 Ba5 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.0–0 d6 7.d4 Bg4 8.Bb5 exd4 9.cxd4 Bd7 10.Bb2 Nce7 11.Bxd7+ Qxd7 12.Na3 Nh6 13.Nc4 White prepares the advance e5 13...Bb6 14.a4 c6 15.e5 d5 16.Nd6+ Kf8 17.Ba3 last book move 17...Kg8 18.Rb1 Nhf5 [18...Nef5 19.a5 Nxd6 20.exd6 Bxa5  ] 19.Nxf7 [¹19.a5 ] 19...Kxf7= 20.e6+ Kxe6 21.Ne5 Qc8 [¹21...Qc7!? 22.Re1 Kf6³] 22.Re1² Kf6?? [22...c5 23.Bxc5 Bxc5 24.dxc5 h5 25.Ng6+ Kf7 26.Nxh8+ Qxh8 27.Rxb7 Kf6 ] 23.Qh5 g6 [23...Ng6 24.g4 Re8 25.g5+ Ke6 26.Qxh7 ] 24.Bxe7+ [24.Ng4+ Kf7 25.Rxe7+ Nxe7 26.Nh6+ Ke8 ] 24...Kxe7?? [¹24...Kg7 25.Qg5 Rf8±] 25.Nxg6+ Kf6 26.Nxh8 Bxd4 [26...Qd7 27.Rb3 Kg7 (27...Rxh8?? 28.Rf3 Bxd4 29.g4 ) ] 27.Rb3 Qd7 [27...Qxh8 28.Rf3 Qg8 29.Qxf5+ Kg7 30.Rg3+ Kh8 31.Re7 Bg7 32.Qd7 Rf8 33.Rgxg7 Rf7 34.Rxg8+ Kxg8 35.Rxf7 d4 36.Qe8#] 28.Rf3 Rxh8 29.g4 Rg8 [29...h6 30.gxf5 Kg7 31.Kh1 ] 30.Qh6+ Rg6 [30...Kf7 31.Qxh7+ Rg7 32.Qh5+ Kf8 33.Qh8+ Kf7 34.Rxf5+ Qxf5 35.Qe8+ Kf6 36.Qd8+ Kf7 37.Re7+ Kg6 38.gxf5+ Kxf5+ 39.Rxg7 Bxg7 40.Qd7+ Kg6 41.Qxb7 Kh7 42.Qxa7 d4 ] 31.Rxf5+! [31.Rxf5+ Qxf5 32.Qf8+ Kg5 33.Qxf5+ Kh6 34.Qf4+ Rg5 35.Qf8+ Rg7 36.Re6+ Kg5 37.Qf5+ Kh4 38.Rh6#] 1–0 |
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| Sep-03-10 | | soothsayer8: Looks like Steinitz finally came to his senses this match... 6...d6, Nice move there, Wilhelm ;) |
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| Jan-17-11 | | Llawdogg: 19 Nxf7! is a beautiful sacrifice that rips open the position and starts a very successful king hunt. And doing it against Steinitz in a World Championship match must have been very satisfying for Chigorin. Very nice. |
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| Aug-07-11 | | JoergWalter: Lasker critized 19.Nxf7 as a wrong combination which allows for a better defense. his line starts with 21. ... Qe8 (instead of Qc8) 22. Re1 Kf6 23. g4 h5 24. Bxe7+ Qxe7. In the above computer analysis 22. Qe8 is not considered. 19.a5 secures the win immediately (Lasker) |
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| Nov-09-11 | | AnalyzeThis: Ah yes, Steinitz getting slapped around in another Evans Gambit, what else is new. |
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| Jul-04-12 | | e4 resigns: <Looks like Steinitz finally came to his senses this match... 6...d6, Nice move there, Wilhelm ;)> I read somewhere that Steinitz kept on playing ...Qf6 and kept losing, but he was sure it was the right defense. Chigorin was the master of attack! |
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| Dec-25-12 | | leka: Chigorin learn to play chess at age 18 years old.It is a miracle how good chess Chigorin could play.Akiba Rubinstein also learn to play at age 18 years old.If Chigorin and Rubinstein have learn to play at age 4 years like Capablanca no one could have stopped Rubinstein and Chigorin.Chigorin made a 10 move mating attack against Alapin.Todays super grand masters elo rating 2725 can not see 6 moves ahead |
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Sep-03-13
 | | Phony Benoni: That's odd. In this , the first game of the match, Steinitz was "Chagrined". In the last game, the tables were turned! Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1892 |
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Sep-03-13
 | | offramp: "The winner of the first point is the loser of the last." - Michael Stean |
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| Sep-03-13 | | morfishine: Steinitz wins and loses scientifically
***** |
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| Sep-03-13 | | Ratt Boy: <leka: Todays super grand masters elo rating 2725 can not see 6 moves ahead> Really? On what basis can you possibly say that? |
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| Sep-03-13 | | takchess: <nasmichael> well said |
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Sep-03-13
 | | TheTamale: Steinitz after move 19: "Oh no you did-int..." |
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| Sep-03-13 | | GrandMaesterPycelle: It would be much better not to use the same pun for two games between the same players in the same match. It's rather confusing, and lazy. |
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Sep-03-13
 | | kevin86: Getting Chiggy with it... |
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| Sep-03-13 | | builttospill: In Lasker's line:
21. ... Qe8 (instead of Qc8) 22. Re1 Kf6 23. g4 h5 24. Bxe7+ Qxe7. Critter gives white +3.5 after 16ply. I like the Knight sacrifice because it's in the spirit of the romantic era. The top line given by Critter is actually 21. ...Qc7, with 22. Re1 Kf6 23. Bxe7+ Kxe7 24. Qf3 Rf8 followed by a5! White is up around +1. Little did these guys know 120 years later we'd be looking at their game with computers. |
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| Sep-03-13 | | World of Tomorrow: Mikhail Chigorin, father of the Russian chess school... or something like that. |
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Sep-03-13
 | | Bishoprick: In the St.Petersburg Chess Club, there is a series of photographs of the world champions. According to these photos, Chigorin is the first World Champion, and he might have been, had it not been for Steinitz. |
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| Sep-03-13 | | pericles of athens: Wonderful game! |
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| Feb-16-15 | | Smite: Fritz 13 can't agree with the knight sac on move 19. But following the line, all top recommended move it finally comes around and agrees MUCH later after move 24 or so. Outstanding |
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| Mar-04-16 | | yurikvelo: full multiPV: http://pastebin.com/QSGEaABC
passive 4.b4 and 7.d4 were neutralized by 9. ... Bd7? and 10. ... Nce7? 12. ... Nh6? and game achieved unrecoverable point
15. ... d5?? and 21. ... Qc8?? only make white win easy 30. ... Rg6? shortened forced mate from 28 to just 7 moves <Fritz 13 can't agree with the knight sac on move 19>
There are 9 winning moves at 19. Knight sac is second best. Exact sorting which move is best is possible only by Distance-To-Mate.
If one move is forced Mate in 35 and other move is Mate in 40 - can you say that second move is bad? If 21. Re1+! than knight sac will be more effective, forced trading back knight for pawn. 19. a5! is much more agressive move, white force exchange and have knight for 2 pawns and blocked Rook at h8.
Than white force RQ exchange and have active R+N vs blocked R
Estimated is +M46 19. a5! |
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| Nov-12-17 | | Afaque24: IN 24.bxe7+ Ne7?? would have been better?. |
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| Mar-01-18 | | tgyuid: nice; positron |
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