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London Chess Club vs Paris Chess Club
"Plaster of Paris" (game of the day Jun-07-2017)
Correspondence game (1834) (correspondence), London ENG - Paris FRA
French Defense: Exchange Variation (C01)  ·  0-1

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Nov-18-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  Benzol: <...so what are you talking about?>

Simple, the truth!

Nov-18-04  Kean: Thats true, in those days sometimes black started the game. The convention of white moving first came some time later but dont know when. I guess even in the International London Tournament 1851 there were games played with black opening.
Nov-18-04  KampongBoy: I believe the rule that stated that White always moved first was not established until the mid 1920's, 25 or 26.
Nov-18-04  mack: Oh my god, my whole world's been turned upside down!
Nov-18-04  panigma: Why are you saying London played black? They're white on my screen!
Nov-18-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: There is a joke going around that the "French defense" involves carrying an unicolor (white) flag,instead of the Tricolor-the regular flag.

To counter this,I believe that the MARSELLAISE is the best national anthem,by far.

Nov-18-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  akiba82: Sometimes Black moved first, but this didn't continue until the 1920's. I believe in the London 1851 tournament, the first international tournament, they hadn't yet decided to let White always move first. Certainly they had by London 1862. Does anyone have any solid research they want to share on this?
Nov-18-04  ajile: What's wrong with 12.NxC6?
Nov-19-04  TheGreatNN: Forgive my ignorance, but how could it possibly be arranged for one side to play black in a correspondence game and not move first? Does London send Paris a letter that says "1.P-K4 and I'm black?" How does that work?
Nov-19-04  drukenknight: NN: you have jumped to conclusions, he's not talking about the correspondence game here. He's not even talking about corr. games. He's talking about an old custom.

In the old days black was thought to be a lucky color so everyoen wanted black. To compensate, if you took white you got to move first. That's my understanding I think from C.H.O.DAlexander..

Jul-16-05  farrooj: <dinesh> actually this London City vs Paris, 1834 is the first ever recorded game in french defense
Feb-07-08  D.Observer: France plays the French.
Sep-04-08  Kink: There was, according to the chess history archives, two games played between these clubs. France won 2 - 0. Yet I cannot find a record of the other game anywhere. Does anyone know where I may find it?
Oct-04-10  nvrennvren: the time when travel was expensive and inconvenient
Jul-04-13  kia0708: The French defeated the British.
Jun-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <Jul-16-05 farrooj: <dinesh> actually this London vs Paris, 1836 is the first ever recorded game in french defense>

<Sep-04-08 Kink: There was, according to the chess history archives, two games played between these clubs. France won 2 - 0. Yet I cannot find a record of the other game anywhere. Does anyone know where I may find it?>

It's amazing what you can see at chessgames.com.

Jun-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: I see London, I see France...

;p

Jun-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  An Englishman: Good Evening: Very good pun, but it does give the impression that Paris got plastered.
Jun-07-17  Ilkka Salonen: Is this the same London Chess Club with whom Staunton had differences during the tournament in 1851?
Jun-07-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  morfishine: Whoever voted for this game title must've been plastered

*****

Jun-07-17  rea: (1) this is the game that gave the French Defense its name, isn't it?

(2) Even if the English team was using black-colored pieces, they were "white" because they moved first. The color of the physical pieces on the board doesn't matter. (and they were playing by correspondence anyway).

(3)<kevin86>: "There is a joke going around that the "French defense" involves carrying an unicolor (white) flag,instead of the Tricolor-the regular flag." The Bourbon French monarchy used a white flag (with gold lilies, but those were not very visible). With the Restoration in 1815, that flag was in use until 1830. The Orleanist King in 1836, Louis-Phillipe, used the tricolor, though.

Jun-07-17
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  MissScarlett: <Is this the same London Chess Club with whom Staunton had differences during the tournament in 1851?>

In 1834, when this correspondence match began, London was represented by the Westminster Chess Club (of which Staunton would, in 1836, become secretary), so the name should properly be changed.

A London Chess Club had existed from early in the century, but, and don't quote me on this, I believe the later London CC was a new incarnation which grew out of (or, perhaps merged with) the Westminister CC during the 1840s.

Jun-08-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  ChemMac: <ajile> Did you mean 11 NXc6? Just off the top of my head, 11...bc 12.BXc6 Qb6 13. BXe8 d4 14. Ba4 Ba6 looks winning. Black is a R down, but seems to get back more than enough.
Jun-08-17
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  kevin86: French resistance!
Oct-28-17  Compound Error: Er, Badinage of Paris?
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