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Dragoljub Baretic vs Ton Timman
"A Blind Man Could See It With a Cane" (game of the day May-21-2006)
Hoogoven Netherlands,Reservegroep (1974), Wijk aan Zee NED
French Defense: Wing Gambit (C00)  ·  0-1

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May-21-06
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  OhioChessFan: Chessgames, how about simply removing posts that say First? I am beyond tired of it.
May-21-06  Seethamraju: I think in move 9)Nf3xNd4 would have been better which also makes a double pawn.
May-21-06
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  alexmagnus: <hitman> As I know, Baretic was one of few blind players who never used the Braiile chess board.
May-21-06
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  alexmagnus: I said "was" because he doesn't seem to play in serious tournaments anymore
May-21-06  midknightblue: Thirtyfirst!
May-21-06  dakgootje: <Chessgames, how about simply removing posts that say First?> think there are more creative ways preventing people from posting 'first'-posts. e.g. some time ago someone mentioned a site where they set the postdate to a week later after which the post gets bumped to the last place all the time. Or maybe something that automaticly the posts transform in something like 'im a moron who is so selfcentered, stupid and bored that i can only post nothing-saying-posts like 'first' and because of that i prefer to write crap like this'

I mean, those more creative options may prevent the first-posters even more from posting such things then simply removing the posts.

May-21-06  psmith: <chessmoron> I assume your line begins at move 27. That is, 27. Qxg8+ Rxg8 28. Re7+ Kf8 28. Rxe4+ Qxb4 29. Rxb4. Cute, but then 29...Rxc3 and...?
May-21-06  chessmoron: <psmith> here's the following line--30. Rd4-Ne6 31. Kd2-Rc2+ 32. Kxd3-Nxd4 33. Bd5-Rd8 34. Kxd4-Ke7 35. Re1+
May-21-06
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  al wazir: <OhioChessFan: how about simply removing posts that say First?>

Ohio, that's what your "ignore" list is for. Imagine how a firster must feel when he realizes that no one is even seeing his exhibitionism.

May-21-06
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  kevin86: White attempted some counter-play along the seventh,but he was biting on granite.
May-21-06
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  al wazir: <CG> posted analysis showing that white holds with 27. Qxg8+. No one has posted any improvement on black's play. Does that mean the game should have been a draw?

I think black could have won by simply playing 26...Ng5 instead of Nd8. What does white have in this position? 29. h4 is too slow: 29...Qxb4 30. hxg5 Qxc3+. 29. Qxg8+ fails because of 29...Rxg8 30. Re7+ Kd8.

And I still think 24...Rc2 was better than 24...e4.

May-21-06  chessmoron: White and black made big mistakes throughout the whole game.
May-21-06  mitsuo: <al wazir> if 24...Rc2, what happens after 25. Bc6+? Black would lose at least the exchange. Unless there's something I'm missing here...
May-21-06  agentniner: Hey White, it would be a good idea to castle!
May-21-06  Pawsome: Even by punning standards, this one is lame. Here's an idea: get rid of the Game of the Day puns and spend the energy saved on improvements elsewhere.
May-21-06
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  chessgames.com: <al wazir> My opinion on 27.Qxg8+ is no better than the rest of yours, but I'll give it to crafty and see what comes out.
May-21-06  crafty: 27. ♕xg8+ ♖xg8 28. ♖e7+ ♔f8 29. ♖xe4+ ♕xb4 30. ♖xb4   (eval 0.56; depth 17 ply; 250M nodes)
May-22-06
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  al wazir: <mitsuo: if 24...Rc2, what happens after 25. Bc6+? Black would lose at least the exchange.>

You're right: 25. Rxc6 bxc6 is forced, and black may have to give up his ♕ for a ♖ as well.

May-22-06
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  al wazir: <chessgames.com: I'll give it to crafty and see what comes out.>

Surprise! The same thing comes out on May 21, 2006, as on August 26, 2003. Crafty agrees with Crafty!

<CG>, if you want to be helpful you could have Crafty look at 26...Ng5 instead of Nd8.

May-22-06
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  chessgames.com: I misread your question. Crafty will assess 26...Ng5 in just a minute.
May-22-06  crafty: 26...♘g5 27. ♕a4 ♗c2 28. ♕a5 ♘e6 29. O-O ♘d8 30. ♖a7   (eval 3.15; depth 13 ply; 500M nodes)
May-22-06
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  al wazir: Thank you CG/crafty! I would never have found white's moves myself!
May-22-06  chessmoron: <al wazir> Actually I already gave the line 27. Qx8+ from my above post and <psmith>
May-22-06
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  al wazir: <chessmoron>: I was referring to this post (dated Aug. 26, 2003):

<crafty: 27. Qxg8+ Rxg8 28. Re7+ Kf8 29. Rxe4+ Qxb4 30. Rxb4 Rxc3 = (eval 0.33; depth 17 ply; 1000M nodes)>

The move Qxg8+ doesn't work if black doesn't play Nd8 first.

Oct-17-08  just a kid: I got a 28 on G-T-M.
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