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Tapio Helin vs Jyrki Kiltti
"Practical Giuoco" (game of the day Apr-02-2005)
Hyvinkaa op (1996), rd 1
Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Normal (C50)  ·  0-1

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Aug-31-03  pedroska: White’s 4th move (d3) is not wrong. It is boring though, after that move one starts to become more fond of black specially after it’s sharp pawn attack and material sacrifices. I really enjoyed black’s interesting Q sacrifice. Unfortunately it does not appear to be sound. After: 12. … Nd4.

White could have just saved the Knight on d8

13. Ne6!

With the added threat of Nxc7+ forking the rook on a8.

The white queen can then be sacrificed back to avoid the mate threat

13. … Ne2+
14. Qxe2 gxh2
15. Kh1 Bxe2
16. Re1 Bg4
17. Nxc7+

White should have an easy game given the material advantage. (The other possibility for black 13. … Nf3+ at most recovers a rook instead of the queen therefore is not good play)

Of course white chooses to play:

13. h3

Which in fact helps black’s attack by opening the a1-h8 diagonal for black’s light colored bishop in forced fashion (rook sacrifice), which seals white’s fate.

Aug-31-03  ughaibu: 13....Nf3 looks like a black win.
Aug-31-03  pedroska: <chessgames.com, ughaibu > can crafty confirm that 13. Nf3+ works? I analyzed Ne2+ and it appears to fail but Nf3+ could be more complex. Computer analysis may prove me wrong!
Aug-31-03  pedroska: <ughaibu> Yes. It works ... I missed:

13. ... Nf3+
14. gxf3 Bxf3

And the pawn on f2 is pinned, so white is mated. WOW!

Aug-31-03  sleepkid: 13. ...Nf3+ 14. gxf3 Bxf3 15. Qd1 and white gives up the queen for the bishop to prevent mate. though it's still ugly. I may be wrong, but for some reason I don't think 13. ...Nf3+ wins - there is some defence there. If I had more time I'd analyze it out. But it's bedtime.
Aug-31-03  pedroska: <sleepkid> only if black goes for the Q. What about 15. ... gxh2#
Aug-31-03  pedroska: The best option for white aparently is 13. h3 as played (opening a square for the King) but it also would have to sacrifice its queen after 13 ... Ne2+

14. Qxe2

Maybe the game is still playable for white after this move

Aug-31-03  pedroska: OK ... I give up. The Q sacrifice is good. But what if white declines the sacrifice and takes the rook instead?

11. Nxh8

Any ideas ?

Aug-31-03  crafty: 13...♘f3+ 14. gxf3 ♗xh3 15. ♕g5 ♖xd8 16. ♕xf6 ♔d7 17. ♕g7+   (eval 8.23; depth 13 ply; 250M nodes)
Aug-31-03  ughaibu: Crafty: Nf3 is in response to 13.Ne6 not from the game position.
Aug-31-03  crafty: 11. ♘xh8 ♕e7 12. ♗f7+ ♔d8 13. ♗b3 ♗xf2+ 14. ♖xf2 gxf2+ =   (eval -0.38; depth 13 ply; 2000M nodes)
Sep-01-03
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  Calli: This is an ancient opening trap. I first saw it in Reinfeld's 1000 best short games, I think. Can't recall the players. Here, Black just knew the line, so don't give him much credit.

Golden Rule in the Giuoco: Never pin the knight (Bg5 or Bg4) before your opponent has castled.

Sep-03-03  sleepkid: pedroska: 15. ...gxh2# is impossible since the white pawn is already on h3. (13. h3)
Sep-03-03  ughaibu: Sleepkid: Nf3 is the suggestion if white plays 13.Ne6 instead of h3.
Sep-03-03  sleepkid: ...ahhh, I see. 13. Ne6 is kind of silly. (which is why I didn't think that's what we were analyzing. . . I thought we were just seeing if Nf3+ worked as well as Ne2+) White has to give back some of the material.
Sep-03-03
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  The Long Diagonal: This idea was known at least as early as in 1862 when it occurred in the game Dubois-Steinitz. Dubois played a better move 9. h4 instead of 9. Nxg5, and Réti comments In his book "Meisters des Schachbretts" (Masters of the Chess Board): "An admirable combination would have followed after the move 9. Nxg5: 9. ... h4!, 10. Rxf7 hxg3, 11. Rxd8 Bg4, 12. Qd2 Nd4, 13. Nc3 Nf3+, 14. gxf3 Bxf3, and white will be mated soon."

My guess is that Kiltti had studied this game by Steinitz and knew already beforehand what was going on. Of course, it's also possible that he made this game "himself" and calculated everything before he played 8. ... h5!!.

Pedroska: 11. Nxh8 really looks better to me. Still, I doubt that Crafty's analysis beginning with 11. ... Qe7 and ending with is perhaps not complete because the initiative of black looks quite dangerous. This might be one of those positions that computers don't understand as well as humans... but then again, I'm just an average club player. Any stronger players than me who have an opinion about the position after 11. Nxh8?

Sep-11-03  pedroska: <everyone> Yeah ... I never play the Giouco as white so I got dragged by the Q sac. It appears to be pretty standard knowledge that I did not have. Anyway I am now convinced that 9. Nxg5 is no good. That is ... the problem started much earlier for white (all the previous discussions are about positions that white should have avoided in the first place). There seems to be nothing good that can come out of this move.
Mar-30-04  seoulmama: This game must be inspired by the Art of Attack. There is a similar game there. Same variant.
Mar-16-05  trosky: white bast move could be 13.h3 Ne2 14.Qe2 Be2 15.Ne6 but black must be better after Bf1!?,another move is 13.Nf7 but Rh214.Ng5 Ke7 15.Qe3 Rah8 is a win
Mar-16-05  trosky: I also want to submit an interesting game with 11.Nh8:Bg412.Qd2 Nd4 13.hg3 Kd7 14.Ng6 Qe8 15.Qg5 Ne2 16.Kh1 Qg6 17.Qh4 Rh8 18.Qh8 Nh7(0-1)Martinsen-Jansen.1937
Apr-02-05  fgh: Quite practical, but losing :) Nice game.
Apr-02-05  Eatman: Curses! I could have had the same game in one of my blitz games (as black) last week, should have remembered this trap.
Apr-02-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Willem Wallekers: White's mistake was 6.Bg6, provoking the pawn storm.
Apr-02-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Marius: Dubois vs Steinitz, 1862
Apr-02-05  maxxowar: crafty: 13 Ne6 Ne2+ 14 Qxe2 Bx2 +2.65
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