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Fernando Lida Garcia vs Yury Markovich Shulman
Torneo Continental Americano (2003), Buenos Aires ARG, rd 2, Aug-18
Nimzo-Larsen Attack: Modern Variation (A01)  ·  0-1

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Jun-28-12  Patriot: So I found an alternative solution, which Houdini rates equally as good as 14...Rxe5.

I missed 16...Ne3! in the first line, which is why I ruled it out.

Jun-28-12  legi: <Whitehat1963> Thanks for the game collection! This is just wonderful.
Jun-28-12  Deji: Awww... too bad. I saw all the moves except the last one.
Jun-28-12  LoveThatJoker: Cool! A Shulman puzzle!

<14...Rxe5! 15. dxe5>

(15. Bxd5 Rexd5 ; 15. Nf3 Re8 )

<15...Qc3+ 16. Kf1>

[16. Qd2 Qa1+! 17. Qd1 Qxd1+ 18. Kxd1 Ne3+ 19. Kc1 (19. Ke1 Rd1#) 19...Rd1+ 20. Kb2 Nxg2 21. Kc2 Ra1 as Black has an extra piece and White Kingside is paralyzed while Black's R has too many squares to call home along White's back rank]

<16...Ne3+ 17. fxe3 Rxd1+> 0-1

LTJ

Jun-28-12  LoveThatJoker: Full point for today for finding the 16. Qd2 Qa1+ 17. Qd1 Qxd1+ 18. Kxd1 Ne3+ 19. Kc1 Rd1+ 20. Kb2 Nxg2 line.

LTJ

Jun-28-12  goldfarbdj: A 400-point deficit means "a statistical probability of winning approaching zero"? No way. I used to help run the Berkeley Chess Club. It ran tournament-rated games; for most of the year the tournaments were divided up into three divisions by rating, but once a year we did a single-section Swiss as a club championship. In the first round that meant anywhere from 10 to 20 games, all with rating differentials ranging from 500 to 800 -- and EVERY YEAR there was at least one upset.

I've pulled off a 400-point upset myself.

Jun-28-12
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  morfishine: I settled on this move order: <14...Rxe5 15.dxe5 Qc3+ 16.Qd2 Qa1+ 17.Qd1 Qxd1+ 18.Kxd1 Ne3+ 19.Kc1 Rd1+ 20.Kb2 Nxg2>


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Jun-28-12
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  agb2002: Black has a rook for a bishop and a pawn.

The white king in the center suggests 14... Rxe5 to open lines, 15.dxe5 Qc3+ (15... Ne3 16.Qxd1+ Kxd1 17.Bxc6)

A) 16.Qd2 Ne3 17.Nf3 (17.Qxc3 Rd1#; 17.fxe3 Rxd2 - +) 17... Nxg2+ 18.Kf1 Rxd2 wins.

B) 16.Kf1 Ne3+ also wins.

Jun-28-12  Zatrikion: 14..Rxe5
15.dxe5 (if not white is down a R) Ne3!

a) 16.Bxc6 Rxd1#
b) 16.Qxd8+ Rxd8 17.Bxc6 Rd1#
c) 16.Qb1 Nxg2+
17.fxe3(threat was Rd1+) Qxh1 and white is down a R (1-0)

Jun-28-12  sorokahdeen: 1 ...Rxe5
2. de5 Qc3+
3. Kf1 Ne3+
4. fe3 Rd1+

or

2. de5 Qc3+
3. Qd2 Ne3!
4. QXc3 Rd1 #

Looks like the solution from here.

Jun-28-12  dakgootje: <He's rated over 400 points lower than his opponent. (If I recall correctly, that means he has a statistical probability of winning approaching zero.)>

Unless the higher-rated player is Van Wely :)

Jun-28-12  JimmyRockHound: Does anyone know what Chris Owen is on?
Jun-28-12  Abdel Irada: I never said a 400-point underdog couldn't win, but according to the stats, he shouldn't. ;-)
Jun-28-12  poszvald: I do not know if this is the best, but surely gives advanage to black:

14, ..Rxe5
15, dxe5 Qc3+
16, Qd2 Qa1+
17, Qd1 Qxd1+
18, Kxd1 Ne3++
19, Kc1 Rd1+
20, Kb1 Nxg2

and know black is a piece up, and white knight can not move..

Jun-28-12  poszvald: I knew I missed something. Ne3!! is very strong:)
Jun-28-12  Djoker: 14...Rxe5
15 dxe5 Qc3+
16 Qd2 Ne3
17 Qxc3 Rd1#

Though my initial thoughts were along <poszwald's> lines Also what happens after 15 Bxd5 instead of dxe5...White is a piece down, but I think no immediate mate threat...also it probably helps in whites pieces getting active...

Jun-28-12
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  whiteshark: <14...Rxe5> and that's it.
Jun-28-12  zb2cr: Found this one. A nice little Thursday puzzle!
Jun-28-12  Whitehat1963: <<Whitehat1963>: I enjoyed your collection, although in fairness it must be noted that the GM victims were mostly playing simuls, which does somewhat mitigate their losses.>

Actually, <Abdel Irada>, you should take another look. There are a few simuls, but they appear mostly at the top of the list. The vast majority of the games are classical chess, with a smattering of rapids and blitz thrown in as well.

<Legi>, you're very welcome.

Jun-28-12
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  FSR: 14...Rxe5! 15.dxe5 (15.Bxd5 Rxd5 or Qxd5 wins) Qe3+ 16.Qd2 (16.Kf1 Ne3+ 17.fxe3 Rxd1+) Ne3! wins queen or king (17.Qxc3 Rd1#).
Jun-28-12
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  Pawn and Two: 16...Ne3! is a very nice move. I found the alternative line: 14...Rxe5 15.dxe5 Qc3+ 16.Qd2 Qa1+ 17.Qd1 Qxd1+ 18.Kxd1 Ne3+ 19.Kc1 Rd1+ 20.Kb2 Nxg2.
Jun-28-12
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  OhioChessFan: I went with 14..Qc3+ which amounts to the same thing. I always find it interesting when such a high % go for 1 of 2 winning moves and wonder what draws people to that 1.
Jun-28-12
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  FSR: Here's an upset for you: M Spinosa vs O Kroll, 1978
Jun-28-12  varishnakov: I saw 14..Rxe5 15. dxe5 Qc3+ 16. Qd2 Qa1+ 17. Qd1 Qxd1+ 18. Kxd1 Ne3+ 19. Kc1 Rd1+ 20. Kb2 Nxg2
Jun-28-12
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  kevin86: I saw this one from the start:

14...♖xe5 15 dxe5 ♕c3+ 16 ♕d2 ♘e3 and if 17 ♕xc3 ♖d1#

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