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Vladimir Kramnik vs Judit Polgar
Cap D'Agde FRA (2003) (rapid), rd 1, Oct-27
Queen's Indian Defense: Kasparov-Petrosian Variation. Main Line (E12)  ·  1-0



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Nov-01-03  panigma: Poll many of us would have moved 38.Qxg8 and worried about the pawn later?

Geez, these guys (and girls) are good...

Oct-04-04  pointguard: I agree with you, panigma. I probably would have played Qxg8 myself. However, you have to agree that Qc7+ was far better! A couple of thoughts on this game:
first, when Kramnik castled, I felt that Polgar was in serious trouble, primarily on a simple principle of king safety. Polgar was just an exposed target. Second, I never got a sense of a "shift in the tide", so to speak. In other words, I felt that Kramnik had complete control of this match. I didn't feel that Polgar had counterplay strong enough to sustain a certain level of discomfort for Kramnik, even though that's asking a lot! Question: Did Polgar "do her homework" on Kramnik before she played this match? I found the opening she used to be somewhat uncharacteristic for her. But then again, judit at 11 is totally different from judit at 27.
Oct-05-04  Bigbluedog: I have great admiration for Judit Polgar's ability but come on guys. Does she rate serious consideration when playing Kramnik? Or let say Kasparov, Anand or Karpov or even Leko. Not to mention a few others. I think she will never really break the top three when playing against the men. I say this without even knowing where she ranks currently. If I am wrong please tell me so and kindly explain why you believe so. the doggieman Bigbluedog
Oct-05-04  Gowe: I thing that you are completely wrong bigbluedog. You don't no nothing about a women's brain and men's brain. Sometimes, probably, would be a woman who will be the best player in the world. You just said that stu.. words only because she is a girl. Come on, that's so.... And a man is saying this.
Oct-05-04  Gowe: And also i remember that She won Anand, Shirov and another excelent player too, my not intelligent fellow.
Oct-05-04  acirce: One of the posting guidelines is <No personal attacks against other users.> I don't think you should imply that <Bigbluedog> is a sexist just because he has an opinion about Polgar's chances to reach top-3.
Oct-05-04  Bigbluedog: Gowe you are wrong in your apparent assumption that my comment was made in a sexist way. I have great admiration for Judit Polgar and would have no problem if she could or actually did succeed in breaking the top three! I go even further to say if she played and took the world title I would applaud her greatly! However the chances of that happening are rather slim in my opinion. It would be a great boon to chess if a women,any, did take the title. Chess would increase by the millions worldwide if that ever happened I think! Not very likely though. the doggieman Bigbluedog
Oct-08-04  pointguard: Look, everyone! Judit will never get a solid foothold against the Russian Masters until someone teaches her the Russian school of chess. Before Fischer won his match with Spassky in the seventies, he had received training on the "Russian School of Chess thought" from an instructor named,I believe, John Collins. Now I know that she's a genius, I know that she's scary to face at the board, but you're talking about basically a female, european Bobby Fischer here. In short, for Judit to become World Champion, she'll have to learn about the Russian school of Chess. And I think she can do it!
Oct-08-04  clocked: <pointguard> There is no Russian school of chess, and if there was it moved to Hungary ;-)
Oct-09-04  poktirity: You must admit that Kramnik has a good record against her. On her chances on being WC, who knows. It appears to me that it's quite a gap between the absolute elite like Kasparov/Anand/Kramnik/Leko and the rest but Polgar had a good rating development before she had her child and she is still one of the youngest in the top 10.
Oct-09-04  acirce: <You must admit that Kramnik has a good record against her.> On the other hand, he hasn't beaten her in a classical game since 1998.
Oct-09-04  pointguard: There is a Russian school established by Botvinnik, in which Kasparov was the top student.
Oct-09-04  clocked: <pointguard> I am aware of this, but it is not a school of "thought" that is hidden from the uninitiated.
Oct-12-04  Knight13: 15. Bg5+ is a waste of tempo. Is Polgar never gonna beat Kramnik? That's the question, and everyone wants answers to this question.
Dec-11-04  tabatustra: pointguard, there is no possible comparison between polgar and fischer. polgar was made by her father to demonstrate something, fisher did not receive special chess education at age 5. polgar's father took her out from school, fischer quitted by his own will, fischer couldn't analyze with computers also.
Feb-16-15  duplex: Judith's overall performance against Kramnik is humiliating..She is simply few layers under the iceman..No contest..
Feb-16-15  duplex: '' basically a female, european Bobby Fischer here ''

Sorry pointguard...Comparing Polgar's talent with Fischer is simply ridiculous.. Even KARPOW in his prime was far above Polgar..I don't dare to compare her with MAGNUS...

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