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X3D Fritz (Computer) vs Garry Kasparov
Man - Machine World Chess Championship (2003), New York Athletic Club, Manhattan, rd 4, Nov-18
Queen's Gambit Accepted: Classical Defense. Main Lines (D27)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Nov-18-03  Kaspablanca: As i told you, this "match end in a 2-2 tie. It´s all publicity folks.
Nov-18-03  BeautyInChess: TalChess2003 - I wondered also if this match would be fixed from the start since after all X3D Fritz is playing Kasparov for the main purpose of advertising their product. There would always be the temptation to prevent both sides from being humiliated, so the possibility that it could be fixed can't be ruled out. However, the character of the games seems to indicate that it was not fixed. For example, in game 1 Garry was fighting tooth and nail to get a win, but made a couple mistakes that prevented him from getting a win. Game 2 Garry made a blunder which outright loses. Game 3 Garry humiliates the computer. The computer is moving its king to g8 and then h8 and back. Garry slowly piles on force until it becomes clear that he's going to win. Game 4 a lackluster draw not uncommon for two GMs to play to.

To sum up, both sides made some errors that were not in their interests to make. The computer showed that it was very fallible in a closed position. Kasparov showed that he's not above making a serious mistake too. Moreover, both Garry and the X3d Fritz creators have their reputations at stake in this highly visible match.

Nov-18-03  PinkPanther: Let's not kid ourselves, this game was boring from the very beginning. Kasparov's intention was very clear from his choice of openings, he wanted a draw. This game was nothing more than each side trading off pieces to simplify the game down into a totally drawn endgame.
Nov-18-03  apple head: move 24. Qd8#
Nov-18-03  hickchess99: apple head i can't make any sense of your comment. neither of the queens can move to d8 on move 24. if you are referring to move 25 for white then black needs to do is drop the rook to f8
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  AgentRgent: <Applehead> 25. Qd8+ would be mate except that 25...Rf8 is discovered Check!, so white doesn't get to play 26. Rxf8+ Qxf8 27. Qxf8#.
Nov-18-03  hueypnewton: Fischer could still take Kasparov and all the others you can find!
Nov-18-03  Benjamin Lau: I doubt Fischer could *still* take Kasparov. Fischer's even older than Kasparov.
Nov-18-03  Benjamin Lau: Fritz's choice of d4 in this game surprised me. I can't believe Kasparov used the QGA. Isn't this opening a bit passive for him?
Nov-18-03  PinkPanther: <Fritz's choice of d4 in this game surprised me. I can't believe Kasparov used the QGA. Isn't this opening a bit passive for him?>

Yeah, it does. But like I said, it just goes to show what his intentions were in this game.

Nov-18-03  Benjamin Lau: Yes, but that Fritz played d4 also reveals its intentions as well. It looks like the programmers decided enough was enough and to draw the match and play Kasparov maybe again later on, after correcting Fritz's madness in closed positions.
Nov-18-03  panigma: Ridiculous! This match is an insult to all of us who view chess as sacred. I now wholeheartedly agree with all of you "draw conspirators." I had given K the benefit of the doubt after the last computer match, but this is too much. The sliver of respect I had for Kschmuck before this charade is gone. Folks, this was a waste of our time and the result was completely planned from the onset.
Nov-18-03  patzer2: I thought perhaps the ESPN commentators should have mentioned 25. Qd8+ as a possibility, since it is a plausable move which leads to an even (practically drawn) position and demonstrates an obvious trap for novices playing black to avoid. After 25. Qd8+ , Fritz 8 (@18/18 depth & 839kN/s) analyzes:

1. = (+0.06) 25...Rf8+ 26. Kh1 Raf2 27. Rxf2 Qxf2 28. h3 Qc5 29. Kh2 Qe5+ 30. Kg1 Kg8 31. Qd3 Qe6 32. Qd6 Qxd6

2. (#2) 25...Qf8?? 26. Qxf8 Rxf8 27. Rxf8#

Nov-18-03  billikid: <panigma> nice to see someone with some normal thinkin and gone straight to the obvious propaganda of this whole circus match. it only shows that if u aint got it , u aint got it.too much analysis won't get you anywhere coz the more you yak about,the more clues you're givin out on your swallow mind. just like someone in here with a debilitating disease who keeps biting its way out of its stinkin hole.all those yapin about had all but gone back to their swollen tongues..
Nov-19-03  Bastrikov: No doubt Fischer would find a way to thrash a computer
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: Chalk it-up as win for humanity and the further advancement of the royal game of chess. Yes, it would have been great to see Kasparov slinging rooks and sacrificing the queen in daring attack against the cold menacing machine for a dramatic win in the final game. However reality sets in and we have to settle for nice quiet draw. The Bigger picture here is the advancement of the royal game of chess. Kasparov like no other since the likes of Robert J. Fischer has elevated the game and captured the attention of non chess players across the world with his Man Vs Machine encounters.
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: What was really was at stake here?
Computer can already defeat 99% of all chess players so why is this match and other like it so captivating? As humans, we rejoice in defying the odds. The fact that computer can evaluate millions of positions per second, has access to opening and closing book data bases while playing and still can’t defeat the best human players is incredible! That’s the fascination part. However there is much more at stake. It’s in the interest of all parties involved for Man to perform well in these encounters. Man Vs Machine is a marketable product that sells!
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: Unlike the match with IBM Deep Blue, Chess Base the owner of the program Fritz has a vested interest in the game of chess whereas IBM did not. IBM immediately capitalizes of its defeat of Kasparov to rake in revenue. IBM had no further interest and abandoned it venture into chess. The corporation did not care about the game and return its attention to computers development. Kasparov went into a depression and the game of chess went into a tailspin.
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: However Chess Base as the name implies is rooted in the royal game. Their consumers are chess players and chess enthusiast. Contrary to popular belief, computer chess programmers fear the day when computers finally cross the 100% threshold because their work will finally be done. There will be no more televised Man Vs Machine matches because it will pointless and chess will return to the parks, churches, and out of the lime light. Chess Base is in a delicate position. Fritz is a training tool for professional chess player and armatures alike. Chess Base and other computer chess companies try to produce the strongest most economical product available and they hope humanity can keep-up. Its safe to that at the moment computers and the world’s best player are happily co-existing because the sad truth is nobody wants to see Fritz Vs Junior on ESPN2.
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: Where does chess go from here?
The Chess world needs another captivating figure to rival Gary Kasparov not only at the board but in the media. Kasparov is the only giant out there. It no longer matters that Kramnik defeated Kasparov three years ago because Kasparov is hailed as champion in the media's eyes. Kramnik without even defending his title is a failed champion. He has done very little to advance or popularized the game of chess. Great games need great rivalry someone needs to reinvent themselves and step up to the plate and get out there! Kasporov has been carrying the burden for too long. I don’t blame FIDE for over looking Kramink in the world championship. It’s a matter of economics. Kasparov sell! Kasparov can get sponsor!
Nov-19-03  PinkPanther: <No doubt Fischer would find a way to thrash a computer>

Dude, do us all a favor and be quiet. Fischer is my favorite player of all time, but still, don't go make ludicrious claims like that. And if you are gonna make ludicrious claims, at least name yourself after a better opening.

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  technical draw: I have just invented a machine that can hurl a baseball straight down the plate at 200 miles an hour. I challenge Barry Bonds to try to hit a homerun off it. Do you think ESPN will carry the event? Let's not get carried away with this man vs. machine hype.
Nov-19-03  tud: In my opinion as chess fun and software engineer computers are better than humans as of now. The algorithm can be adaptive and draw a match or a game. Neither chess nor chess machines would benefit from a machine victory.
Nov-19-03  darkawakenings: I don't think that chess programming will be complete once that chess is 'solved'. There can still be a beter and faster chess algorithm to play chess. What happens when there is no opening book, and two computers are playing on a 1 Ghz processor with 128 mb ram? You can't just use the solution, your machine would have to figure it out every game.
Nov-19-03  damsel: When Gary K. offered X3D F. a draw,as reported, what or whom accepted the offer and why? damsel .
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